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[-] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 99 points 1 year ago

'Neither Left nor Right' is a fascist dogwhistle. Fascism has a rich history of marketing itself as the apolitical choice.

[-] adespoton@lemmy.ca 38 points 1 year ago

And there’s also the fact that in the US, you have the party of the far right and the party of everyone else; centrist is to the left of a lot of Democrats at this point.

[-] jcarax@beehaw.org 18 points 1 year ago

Yes, everyone who doesn't align with your political view is facist. That in itself doesn't sound facist at all, does it?

We need to not just be careful about what some horrible people are doing right now, but also about what we become as we react to it.

[-] storksforlegs@beehaw.org 31 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

We do need to be careful, yes. But this isnt a case of mislabelling views just because they disagree with their politics. Its important to call out far right nationalist parties for what they are.

As is discussed in the video, Omega_Haxor wasnt making a baseless attack on a belief they disagreed with. Authoritarian politicians do have a history of using this dogwhistle messaging.

[-] jcarax@beehaw.org 6 points 1 year ago

No, it's a dangerous, generalized statement that if you're against what the far right is doing, you have to align with what we stand for. If not, you're the far right. That is literally what it's saying, and folks might add on some stuff in their head when they interpret it, or some additional hidden intention when they utter it. But ultimately, it will distill down to the literal meaning.

[-] storksforlegs@beehaw.org 12 points 1 year ago

Who said you have to align with a certain set of beliefs to oppose the far right? (Beyond thinking nationalist, xenophobic views are shitty) All kinds of varying political views hate nazis. Anti-facsism is a very large tent.

[-] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 year ago

Yikes. A lot to unpack here.

... nah can't be bothered, goodbye.

[-] bastion@feddit.nl 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This. There is a distinct lack of awareness by both parties of just how fascist their tendencies are. The right has more of the authority-centric tendencies of fascism, and the left has more of the out-of-control virtue signaling, demonization, etc that can lead up to things like the struggle sessions that occurred during China's cultural revolution.

Anyone who says 'those who are not explicitly on our side are enemies' is deeply at risk of losing it to fascism, if they're not already gone.

The interesting thing about this aspect of fascism is how, although it leads ultimately to centralization of power and authoritative control, it's more of a decentralized, manipulative mob of social anxieties run amok.

[-] ondoyant@beehaw.org 13 points 1 year ago

this is such a weird thing to say. fascism is all about authoritarian shit, it is defined by ultranationalism, racism, bigotry, and centralized control, not by "virtue signaling", a phrase more common in right-wing spaces than anywhere else. we can quibble all we want about the left, but demonstrably, who is limiting the freedoms of minority groups, which states are attempting to disenfranchise voters, who has actual real ass nazi's hanging at their parties? it isn't the left, or whatever you think the left is.

like, don't get me wrong, there are very many ways a left wing government can demonstrably get authoritarian, but the term "fascism" is defined by being far-right on the political scale. i would just generally suggest reading some stuff about fascism, because you don't seem to be very well informed on what scholarship says about the ideology at large.

[-] storksforlegs@beehaw.org 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Judging by the discussion I dont think people watched the video. I can see how you might think 'neither left nor right" is referring to moderates or centrists. But it isnt about that. (So clearly a poorly chosen title, then).

The video is about how the far right and corporate interests uses the messaging of being apolitical, or an outsider to push a right wing agenda. It’s not an attack on moderates or centrists.

[-] acastcandream@beehaw.org 5 points 1 year ago

It's a false appeal to objectivity and an attempt to portray themselves as "above the fray."

[-] BitOneZero@beehaw.org 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I don't agree, other than the dogwhstle use of the phrase problem that is ongoing. But back to my point: there are reasons Cambridge Analytica and Surkov style meme warfare from the IRA go for this topic, because there WAS a transcendence in The Bible, there factually was The Enlightenment

People think we are living in Holocaust Denial... no, what Fox News, Alex Jones, and Trump present is described by Neil Postman... Enlightenment Denial is what killed good in the USA. www.Romans1132.com -James Joyce unraveled all these media mind games back when Edward Bernays was doing his thing!

[-] Nobsi@feddit.de 11 points 1 year ago

Bruh wtf is your comment history??? Are you schizo?

[-] Templa@beehaw.org 10 points 1 year ago

You can disagree with people on the internet without being ableist. I really wish people would stop using "schizo".

[-] Nobsi@feddit.de 8 points 1 year ago

Yeah, you're right. I can disagree without ableism. But in this case i was curious. Is the guy i responded to judt LARPing or is he really just on another plane of existence?

[-] Templa@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago

I don't know, there are a lot of peculiar people in the world.

[-] BitOneZero@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago

It's odd how many people think Fox News language behavior isn't a concern.

https://www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2020/09/fox-news-trump-language-stelter-hoax/616309/

People so strung out on memes they chase any free sample feed, inclusive of Lemmy.

[-] Nobsi@feddit.de 4 points 1 year ago

My guy, what are you talking about?

[-] BitOneZero@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You obviously are so well versed on /c/Politics that you don't even know what Cambridge Analytica did to the population? Steve Bannon?

When presented with a citations, mocking is a typical symptom of the problem. Low-effort one-line junk responses to a total article.

[-] Nobsi@feddit.de 3 points 1 year ago

What does Cambridge analytica have to do with Christianity and enlightenment?

[-] BitOneZero@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

Have you see examples of what memes were run by the IRA and CA?

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