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Utah study on trans youth care extremely inconvenient for politicians who ordered it (www.motherjones.com)

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The state’s ban on gender-affirming pediatric care “cannot be justified” by science, a two-year review concluded.

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[-] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 60 points 9 months ago

But according to the Salt Lake Tribune, legislators behind the ban are already dismissing the findings they asked for.

Of course they are. They never believed in science. It's why they have so many anti-vaxxers in their camp. They tried to lean on it (science) because they hoped it would legitimize their hateful beliefs. It's not difficult to throw it away when it doesn't come out on their side.

[-] andros_rex@lemmy.world 18 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

They’ve been lying about what gender affirming care for kids looks like, why would they tell the truth about anything? There’s a coordinated effort to platform fake detransitioners, to claim that kids are getting handed out surgery and hormones willy nilly, to pretend that adult trans people don’t exist.

Arguing with these people is like trying to hold sand. They start with “I don’t want trans people to exist” and work backwards.

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 39 points 9 months ago

They forgot to rig it.

But seriously, the response is disgusting. This is a report you requested, using experts seeking genuine truth. The goal was to improve lives and understand the effects of treatment. There are ethical reasons one could reject a report saying it's not good, namely bodily autonomy and individual freedom, but when the evidence comes back that you shouldn't restrict this individual freedom, that's pretty heinous to do so.

[-] cyan_mess@lemmy.blahaj.zone 21 points 9 months ago

You forgot the tiny detail that their feelings don't care about facts.

[-] aramova@infosec.pub 14 points 9 months ago

Oh what was that saying the Trump crowd was so proud of but can't stand when it's said back to them...

Oh right.

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[-] Daerun@lemmy.world 31 points 9 months ago

Who would you rather believe, my man-made book about our magical friend in the sky or some stupid data driven peer reviewd scientific study?

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 23 points 9 months ago

I mean, it isn't as though politicians are above fabricating a bunch of medicalized Trans bigotry. The UK's Cass Report is one such example.

What's amazing is that Utah's researchers did the leg work properly, rather than conducting a series of FOX News style interviews and Steven Crowder inspired trolling.

[-] UnculturedSwine@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 9 months ago

Believe it or not, Mormons and Utahns in general tend to be well educated and do follow the science up until it hits against religious and political barriers.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

This would suggest one such collision, which is what causes my surprise.

[-] ImADifferentBird@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 9 months ago

Honestly, "Doing the science properly, and then just ignoring the results if you don't like them" is pretty much the Mormons' MO.

[-] NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

As someone who has grown up and lived among the Mormons, I really have to disagree. They are dense, brainwashed, sexist, culty mother fuckers who will value nothing more than conformity.

[-] harrys_balzac@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 9 months ago

Utah doesn't have a great track record of following the science. Especially if they are "moved by the Holy Ghost."

[-] abbadon420@lemm.ee 6 points 9 months ago

Not an American.
Utah is where the Amish live, isn't it?

[-] andros_rex@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Mormonism is a religion founded in the late 1800’s by a guy named Joseph Smith who used to do fortune telling by “seeing” through rocks. He “found” some golden plates which were written in “Reformed Egyptian,” which no one else got to see. He “translated” them using the magic stones and the help of the Angel Moroni, and found that they had a story about Jesus coming to the Americas to teach the Native Americans who turn out to be the Lost Tribes of Israel. (It’s just a coincidence that his book seems to have a lot of ideas in common with a fiction book written around the time, and that “it came to pass” and other BoMism’s sound just like someone trying to write like the King James Bible.)

He later had a revelation from God that the only way to get to heaven was to marry lots of women, especially teenage girls. God made sure to send him a message to forward to his wife about how this was okay and she had to accept it or god wouldn’t be happy with her.

He also bought an Egyptian papyrus off of a PT Barnum type (may even have straight up been Barnum, been a billion years since I read Fawn Brodie’s No Man Knows My History) to translate that “Reformed Egyptian” into the “Book of Abraham.” This was before the discovery of the Rosetta Stone, so no one had any idea how to translate Egyptian hieroglyphs yet. (That papyri was lost for a century, but later discovered hidden in a picture frame. It was a mutilated Egyptian Book of the Dead.)

The Mormons had a tendency of pissing everyone off, and got chased out of Missouri (where the Garden of Eden is) and Illinois. Smith himself was killed in jail. They moved to Utah, where they could have as many child wives as they wanted. (Everyone forgets that the Republican Party was originally founded to oppose “the two barbarisms” - slavery and polygamy.) Brigham Young took the child wife thing to the next level, and also added lots more racism. (Black people are souls that sat out the original battle in heaven between Jesus and Satan. If they are really good they get to be servants on a white persons paradise planet after they die. Black Mormons couldn’t have the priesthood until the 1970’s - which all adult Mormon men need the priesthood to save their own families.)

They did eventually give up the polygamy because they wanted statehood (on earth - but guys still get extra spirit wives on their heaven planet.)

The current Church, like Scientology, is a real estate grift (they own billion dollar malls.) They also were responsible for things like Prop 8/attacking gay marriage in the late naughts.

[-] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago

No, Mormons.

The Amish, chiefly found in Pennsylvania and Ohio, mainly keep to themselves, making delicious cheeses and maple syrup.

[-] reiterationstation@lemm.ee 17 points 9 months ago

Well you forgot the rape.

[-] harrys_balzac@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 9 months ago

And the measles

[-] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago

I wasn't aware of all the Amish rape.

[-] naught@sh.itjust.works 12 points 9 months ago

And animal abuse :)

[-] MutilationWave@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 9 months ago

And incest, and child molestation.

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[-] ninjabard@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

And high quality furniture and incredible baked goods.

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago

Nah Utah is Mormons. Amish are in Pennsylvania and Ohio

[-] MyTurtleSwimsUpsideDown@fedia.io 1 points 9 months ago

Mormans: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints

Edit: speling

[-] orclev@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

AKA the even crazier brand of Christian. They're not quite Scientologist levels of crazy, but they're not far off.

[-] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 9 months ago

They are worse. They believe in the "end times," hence Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell murders and countless other bad actors who believe Christ is coming tomorrow so what they do today is justified.

[-] orclev@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

That's just an evangelical Christian thing. I know a Baptist who's always going on about the rapture and how "Jesus is coming". The nutter once couldn't find anyone for a couple hours and didn't see anyone outside and decided the rapture had begun so she went and started packing a bag "to meet Jesus".

[-] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 9 months ago

It's mental illness, only we are so used to it that it's been normalized to a degree. Just saying so triggers a sense of religious persecution. Going back to the Lori Vallow example, she still seems to think she's right and won't spend the rest of her life in prison, going off her court appearances and a television interview. She murdered her children and commissioned the murder of her husband and likely conspired in the murder of Chad Dabell's wife, for those not in the know.

[-] aceshigh@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

They get their own planet.

[-] WindyRebel@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago

Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb!

[-] Witchfire@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

A cult decided they weren't culty enough and formed another cult.

That's how you get Mormons

[-] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 9 months ago

Latter. Apologies for pedantry.

[-] MyTurtleSwimsUpsideDown@fedia.io 1 points 9 months ago

Whoops! Typo. Thanks!

[-] pyre@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago

"hey we didn't say anything about science... did you guys order the wrong kind of study? i meant like bible study"

[-] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 11 points 9 months ago

Look, if we ban science; no more pesky facts getting in our way. /s

[-] floofloof@lemmy.ca 9 points 9 months ago

Someone should force Keir Starmer and the UK Government to read this report. They have been bad but they may not be quite as far gone as the Republicans.

[-] innermachine@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago

Since when did Republicans give a rats ass about science?

[-] Tja@programming.dev 7 points 9 months ago

In the off-chance it doesn't totally disprove them.

[-] Dasus@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

Wait Nazis aren't rational and just?

Well they more I hear about them, the less I like em.

[-] skisnow@lemmy.ca 4 points 9 months ago

Good job there’s more than 20 other studies out there for them to p-hack

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