281
submitted 1 month ago by bimbimboy@lemm.ee to c/games@lemmy.world
top 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[-] Dagamant@lemmy.world 183 points 1 month ago

You literally posted the answer to your question. Here is an expansion of the details.

[-] Goodeye8@piefed.social 77 points 1 month ago

I haven't read the new TOS but if this review is correct it looks like a GDPR nightmare for them. Good luck to them explaining why they need to collect all that personal data.

[-] raltoid@lemmy.world 31 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The "collected data types" in that comment seems to be copy/pasted from the privacy policy

https://www.take2games.com/privacy/en-US/

[-] avattar@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 1 month ago

That might be US only, where the companies have freedom to get all the customer's data and do with it as they will.

[-] Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Most people don't care about privacy.

Most people in the western civilized world are on Facebook, so...

[-] moon@lemmy.sdf.org 46 points 1 month ago

Due to Steam's tos updates a few months ago, isn't take-two opening itself up to a massive lawsuit?

[-] Nephalis@discuss.tchncs.de 24 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Hm... Ok. Thats crazy. Someone wants to create a new branch of income it seems.

Thats a fucking shame. Now I need to reconsider my plans to buy Borderlands4.

But how will they do it? Which information is gathered from which source? Most of my accounts only hold as little informations as possible. Also my Os knows nothing about me. My MS account neither.

On the other hand my steam 2FA need some mobile information.

[-] Fiivemacs@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 month ago

Checkout Jump Ship? It's some weird borderlands, Star citizen, (insert other generic shooter) type game. Pretty neat, was recommended to me by a shooter fanatic friend of mine. I trust his shooting game opinion

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1757300/Jump_Ship/

[-] topherclay@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago

oh cool, I can see that it's similar Borderlands by the screenshots, and I can see that it's like Star Citizen because it's not actually released yet and they're taking money for early access.

[-] Fiivemacs@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 month ago

Hah exactly :D

[-] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago
[-] Dagamant@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Unless you use Linux, your OS knows a ton about you. On top of that, with root access to your computer they can do whatever they want and if their system gets hacked you become a member of a bot farm or crypto mine.

[-] CatsGoMOW@lemmy.world 130 points 1 month ago

Doesn’t the screenshot you posted explain what’s going on?

[-] Ledivin@lemmy.world 88 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

That. The content of the screenshot you posted. That is what's going on.

[-] BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz 63 points 1 month ago

Don't just review bomb it

Report it to steam as SPYWARE, with the little flag icon on the product page

[-] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 32 points 1 month ago

Pirates are winning over my empathy.

[-] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

They've been my best friend for years

[-] mrbubblesort@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Piracy never gave me up, never let me down

[-] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago

A government that cares for is people would ban this shit and procecute any company trying to find ways around it.

[-] Onyxonblack@lemm.ee 13 points 1 month ago

I apparently love downvotes but here goes: All the Borderlands games (annoying childish cell-shaded skinner-box) and everything Gearbox is and has ever created it utter shit. The CEO is a garbage person, and thier dealings with Epic is Capitalist-Oink-Piggy shite! ""FUCK YOU 2K & GEARBOX, AND FUCK YOU BORDERLANDS!"

[-] red@sopuli.xyz 11 points 1 month ago

Apart from the politics, the Borderlands games themselves are hardly utter shit for the most part.

[-] Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub 5 points 1 month ago

The writing is garbage but,... it's a game for edgy teenagers. It would.

The gameplay for me is Diablo with guns. It would suck for anyone not into that. If anyone isn't into that, don't buy Borderlands games.

[-] red@sopuli.xyz 8 points 1 month ago

Got to argue, I'm a 39 year old gamer, started with PCs back in 90s.

The games are casual fun, they work great as co-op shooters. Story is what it is, but the games themselves are lighthearted and just pure entertaining fun.

Not masterpieces. Just good.

[-] keckbug@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

The first felt really fresh at the time. FPS was dominated by various milsim shooters and Halo, and the irreverence and clever cell shading style worked well.

Two dialed things up in scope and scale and added some nice environmental variety.

But the rest? The presequel? The 3rd? I just couldn’t. It was more of the same, tired, repetitive, the jokes started really scraping the bottom of the barrel. I had fun early on, but I’m out.

[-] dil@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 month ago

Except lawbreakers but he tainted it by supporting it and made ppl against it

[-] Crankenstein@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Bro thank you for mentioning Lawbreakers. Such a fun game that was cut short.

[-] solsangraal@lemmy.zip 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

the game's store page doesn't mention that it requires root access, like it does for some other games. am i missing something?

edit: the words "root" and "level" (ctrl+f'd each one separately) don't appear anywhere in the EULA. "access" shows up in a couple spots that definitely are NOT talking about root level access. i'm all about outrage over enshittification, but so far this sounds like bullshit

[-] lath@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

Maybe it's hidden in the in-game eula and they're using their launcher to collect all that info before we even get to agree or disagree.

[-] EnsignPacts@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

I checked the Steam depots. It seems the game files haven’t been updated since 2022. All that seems to have changed is some license agreement in February. Seems to be a thing across take two games, and not specific to borderlands 2.

Basically nothing has changed in real terms for this game. Maybe borderlands 4 might have draconian DRM, who knows.

[-] tomi000@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

They can drop updates anytime after they made sure to have you accept the spyware.

[-] Darkcoffee@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 month ago

I noticed too.

[-] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 month ago

I only play AAA games on GeForce Now (cloud). If the game can't run on my Linux system or on the cloud, I ain't touching it. Also, there are so many wonderful games that do not require a colonoscopy into your personal data to be played.

[-] Mordikan@kbin.earth 8 points 1 month ago

I'm assuming the post is actually about DRM operating at ring 0. That's not really root level though. That's kernel level. Root is still operating in user-mode and politely asking the kernel to interact with hardware.

[-] ampersandrew@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

But it doesn't have the mandatory kernel level disclaimer either.

[-] Mordikan@kbin.earth 5 points 1 month ago

I did some more reading on this, and it apparently isn't due to DRM, its about an update to ToS that occurred in April. The update expands data collection for advertising and forced-arbitration. Arguably that's worse than kernel-level DRM. DRM can be ripped, legal shenanigans can't.

[-] ampersandrew@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Sure, but it also seems like it's data that you offer up via a 2K account, which I don't have. I have a user name tied to my Steam ID, and that's about it.

[-] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

You think that will stop this from spreading like cancer?

[-] NeryK@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 month ago

On one side of the ring, greedy corps which want to profile you better than the NSA does. On the other, drama-hungry and social networks-fueled outrage culture.

That's how an old game giveaway backfires and becomes the scandal of the day.

[-] vortexal@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Is the EULA also applicable to the Linux version, assuming that Aspyr did actually port the game to Linux and not just use Wine or something?

[-] aesthelete@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

The Linux version is utter dog shit. It's native but it's really terrible looking.

[-] vortexal@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 month ago

Is it not fully compatible with newer versions of Linux? All the gameplay and comparison videos I've seen look identical to the Windows version.

[-] KneeTitts@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Why isnt Steam banning them? Munny?

[-] red@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)
[-] mcv@lemm.ee 1 points 1 month ago

If a game, application, device or EULA changes in a way you find unacceptable, after you've purchased it, you should be able to get your initial purchase price back. And if you paid with your data, you need to be able to demand they delete all your data. I think that law would be entirely reasonable and would do a lot of good.

[-] reksas@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

They added spyware to it.

Here is excerpt from the tos, shared by user in steam reviews of the game.

important Info in Terms of Service:

• Mods are a bannable offense • Display of Cheats/Exploits is bannable • Forced arbitration clause and a waiver of class action and jury trial rights for all users residing in the United States and any other territory other than Australia, Switzerland, The United Kingdom, or The Territories of The European Economic Area • You can be banned for using a VPN while connecting to online servers • Cannot access game content on a Virtual PC

Collected Data Types: • Identifiers / Contact Information: Name, user name, gamertag, postal and email address, phone number, unique IDs, mobile device ID, platform ID, gaming service ID, advertising ID (IDFA, Android ID) and IP address • Protected Characteristics: Age and gender • Commercial Information: Purchase and usage history and preferences, including gameplay information • Billing Information: Payment information (credit / debit card information) and shipping address • Internet / Electronic Activity: Web / app browsing and gameplay information related to the Services; information about your online interaction(s) with the Services or our advertising; and details about the games and platforms you use and other information related to installed applications • Device and Usage Data: Device type, software and hardware details, language settings, browser type and version, operating system, and information about how users use and interact with the Services (e.g., content viewed, pages visited, clicks, scrolls) • Profile Inferences: Inferences made from your information and web activity to help create a personalized profile so we can identify goods and services that may be of interest • Audio / Visual Information: Account photos, images, and avatars, audio information via chat features and functionality, and gameplay recordings and video footage (such as when you participate in playtesting) • Sensitive Information: Precise location information (if you allow the Services to collect your location), account credentials (user name and password), and contents of communications via chat features and functionality.

I wouldnt touch anything this company has produced.

load more comments (3 replies)
load more comments
view more: next ›
this post was submitted on 05 Jun 2025
281 points (91.9% liked)

Games

40429 readers
526 users here now

Welcome to the largest gaming community on Lemmy! Discussion for all kinds of games. Video games, tabletop games, card games etc.

Rules

1. Submissions have to be related to games

Video games, tabletop, or otherwise. Posts not related to games will be deleted.

This community is focused on games, of all kinds. Any news item or discussion should be related to gaming in some way.

2. No bigotry or harassment, be civil

No bigotry, hardline stance. Try not to get too heated when entering into a discussion or debate.

We are here to talk and discuss about one of our passions, not fight or be exposed to hate. Posts or responses that are hateful will be deleted to keep the atmosphere good. If repeatedly violated, not only will the comment be deleted but a ban will be handed out as well. We judge each case individually.

3. No excessive self-promotion

Try to keep it to 10% self-promotion / 90% other stuff in your post history.

This is to prevent people from posting for the sole purpose of promoting their own website or social media account.

4. Stay on-topic; no memes, funny videos, giveaways, reposts, or low-effort posts

This community is mostly for discussion and news. Remember to search for the thing you're submitting before posting to see if it's already been posted.

We want to keep the quality of posts high. Therefore, memes, funny videos, low-effort posts and reposts are not allowed. We prohibit giveaways because we cannot be sure that the person holding the giveaway will actually do what they promise.

5. Mark Spoilers and NSFW

Make sure to mark your stuff or it may be removed.

No one wants to be spoiled. Therefore, always mark spoilers. Similarly mark NSFW, in case anyone is browsing in a public space or at work.

6. No linking to piracy

Don't share it here, there are other places to find it. Discussion of piracy is fine.

We don't want us moderators or the admins of lemmy.world to get in trouble for linking to piracy. Therefore, any link to piracy will be removed. Discussion of it is of course allowed.

Authorized Regular Threads

Related communities

PM a mod to add your own

Video games

Generic

Help and suggestions

By platform

By type

By games

Language specific

founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS