How about "America has always been a shit show, and Trump is the parody version"?

No no, you see, voting for Biden would be voting for this too, somehow. Because they are part of the same system, or something? Both sides same and all that.

Honestly the mental gymnastics are too much for me to effectively work out into a distilled comment.

These things are always so annoying and uncritical. They are not wrong that the democrats are a conservative party, but that is still where the current progressive movement lives.

I think there is a bit of a trap in seeing the maga rise as a monolith, but I think there are two main wings. The evangelical side and the libertarian side. They might have some overlap, but their motivations and goals are still rather distinct. The important take away for this short essay of sorts is that they have agreed on enough points to move the overton window to get large parts of what they want. For the evangelicals it is abortion bans and ten commandments in schools. In the libertarian wing it is DOGE (inspired by the libertarian president in argentina)

Tankies and others who say “Biden was no better than Trump” are really messing up our ability to have a leftist/progressive party. In either growing it with-in the dems or starting from scratch. I want to understand what they are saying, but it is frustrating how unserious they are in actually achieving goals.

Progressive as in Pride-themed anti-homeless boulder

This is nothing really. If people wanted war they would have strategy. It's just pissed off people, not people with a plan.

Watching the riot over the past few hours it looks like it's just bored people with mob mentality.

Yeah, it’s no longer an “immigration protest”. It’s a NAZI protest.

Who, Trump the thirty-two times felon?

Only because Republicans despise California and Californians with all of their being.

There would probably be no consequences for him, but the "martial law" would probably be ignored and not happen.

As I understand it, in the US, martial law can only legally happen if the courts are unable to function. Basically, if things are so bad courts are unable to judge people, you let the military judge them.

Zero consequences, as usual.

We all know what it takes to remove fascists from power

Gavin Newson specifically said that he did not ask for or need the 2,000 troops and that sending to LA would only make things worse.

Sooo, there’s that.

Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth said in a post on X that the Defense Department is "mobilizing the National Guard IMMEDIATELY to support federal law enforcement in Los Angeles. And, if violence continues, active duty Marines at Camp Pendleton will also be mobilized — they are on high alert." ~ABC News

They are already threatening to send in Marines...

yup. next stop: martial law.

The powerful and their goons seem to have forgotten that sure they can roll up anywhere with an army and overpower protesters, but that's not going to solve this. It's just going to start a true resistance.

There have been few times in history where resistance forces have fought state forces on an open battlefield.

As seen historically, a typical resistance force will harrass the enemy. Bomb their buildings, stockpiles, and infrastructure. Wait until the state goons are alone, at their homes, at the bar, in a grocery store and then that's when they kill them.

All sending the national gaurd in to kill protesters will result in is a true resitance forming.

The powerful have forgotten what it was like to be afraid to leave their fortresses

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=how+to+spot+an+agent+provacateur+at+a+protest&t=fpas&ia=web

Lots of great results so I didn't pick just one but this helps, too.