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submitted 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) by db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com to c/div0@lemmy.dbzer0.com

Hey m@tes, as y'all know, this instance has been anti-corporate GenAI positive since it's creation and as such we've typically allowed such content to be posted freely. However in the last few weeks we've had a bunch of drama from GenAI haters who insist on coming into our comms and starting slap-fights. This caused us to vote on a new rule to have the mandate to clear out this constant friction. This worked to an extent, but I think we can help foster a better community with the larger threadiverse.

One issue a lot of anti-GenAI people keep bringing is that while they can block dedicated comms like !stable_diffusion_art@lemmy.dbzer0.com, they don't have an easy option to avoid GenAI content in random other /0 comms as there's no way to filter it out. This kind of content has been seen to cause a lot of strife, because people complain about its existence, while /0 admins and mods based on the above rule, tend to sanction those complaining. This then causes drama loops with /c/YPTB and /c/FuckAI etc.

There is a good point to be made here that while we don't mind GenAI content in /0, there isn't a reason to not help others avoid it. So we want to institute the following soft rule by now:

Simply tag your posts which consist of primarily GenAI content with the [GenAI] tag in their title. Not only will frontends like Tesseract will natively parse this as a tag and display it accordingly, but people who dislike such content, can simply filter it out of their feeds. Eventually lemmy will add tags which will make this tagging more seamless, but for now a manual tag in the title will suffice.

This rule only applies to posts in non-explicit GenAI comms. The assumption is that people can simply block those comms completely anyway.

As I said, this is a soft rule for now. Soft in the sense that you're not going to be sanctioned for forgetting it, but we hope people will remind you to do so. This is a good-faith attempt by us to co-exist and help others avoid what they don't want to stumble onto, much like [NSFW] tags. So I hope you'll add do a good faith attempt to help us in this. Furthermore, people who come to posts tagged as GenAI explicitly to scold and start slap-fights, will give the admins and easier justification to clean up, since they could have just filtered out that content in the first place.

Cheers

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[-] otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com -4 points 1 day ago

Yeah, that's gonna age reeeal well.

[-] Eyedust@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 2 days ago

I was wondering if you guys would catch the latest shitstorm on this. Definitely a necessary precaution. Its a good idea, and I hope it will be enough.

Its getting to the point where people are blanket terming us as unhinged and blocking the whole instance because debates are getting heated. :(

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[-] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

That wasn't very Anarchy of you. /joke

[-] floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 2 days ago

Kudos.

That's it, that's the comment

[-] Taser@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 2 days ago

FWIW, I approve/agree with this rule.

I think this is a nice gesture but I also think it's way too charitable for the Anti-GenAI people currently complaining. Their issue isn't that they want to avoid it, they want to stamp it out, they want it gone. They're not going to hide posts or keywords, they're going to brigade them. They already brigade and harass explicitly GenAI communities and don't block them. They've harassed me multiple times, told me to die in DMs and even impersonated me for running such communities. Tagging isn't going to help, they're just going to use it to hunt down people who post it and brigade the posts or target the users, because they aren't angry that they are seeing it, they're angry that it exists and they wish to stamp it out, no matter the cost.

In short this is a good solution with good intentions but it assumes a level of good faith that just isn't there. I'd agree with this if the problem was really people just not wanting to see it, but the problem is much deeper. I'm sure that once people start doing it, the goal posts will be moved and they'll just stop using "untagged" as a reason for complaining.

[-] Initiateofthevoid@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I very much disagree. Insane people on the internet would not need a tag. If there is brigading - or if there is in fact a level of extremism as you suggest - tagging won't make a difference there. The instance is still too small and genAI is too popular around here to imagine that they need any help finding posts.

Tagging is a good faith effort to establish boundaries and maintain the good will of the fediverse toward this instance.

In short this is a good solution with good intentions but it assumes a level of good faith that just isn’t there.

I think - as is always the case with drama like this - there is plenty of good faith, it's just hard to see beneath the small but impactful amount of bad faith.

[-] UniversalMonk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 2 days ago

Their issue isn’t that they want to avoid it, they want to stamp it out, they want it gone

Exactly this. These sorts of people don't want to co-exist. They want to bully us out of existence.

and even impersonated me for running such communities.

Sorry you've had to go through that. I have been through that too (and still have it happen). So I know how frustrating it is. People on Lemmy can be super weird.

I'm all for OP's solution, but like you, I don't it will solve much because of just how much people like to stir up drama. They won't use those tags to block, they'll use those tags to find and harrass.

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[-] RizzoTheSmall@lemm.ee 3 points 1 day ago

Ok, so should we tag this post or did y'all draw that pic?

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[-] zr0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 2 days ago

Imagine getting angry at something this trivial.

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 21 points 2 days ago

I think it's more "imagine getting mad at people using it at all" because the social effects aren't trivial at all.

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[-] unbanshee@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 2 days ago

I mean...

I can imagine how artists struggling to make ends meet might be angry that work they'd spent years learning and honing their skills to produce was and is being crawled by tools made by a bunch of silver-spoon-chomping techbros who are marketing their products to businesses who employ artists as a way to employ less artists, and pay peanuts to those they do hire to wrangle prompts and fix AI mistakes instead of actually getting to make art.

And I can imagine how frustrating it is to see people minimize that struggle when it often benefits oligarchs and C-suite ghouls.

[-] curbstickle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 2 days ago

This isn't exactly a capitalist tech-bro instance. So while I agree with there being a problem here, the problem is less genai and more about capitalism IMHO.

Which is why it can seem a bit silly to me to go after this instance of all things when it comes to genai.

That said, as always, I think db0's soft rule is a really great good faith effort to be accommodating to others, while staying true to the core of what the instance is about.

So I hope you'll see that part of things and tone it down in kind.

[-] unbanshee@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 2 days ago

Sorry, what exactly do I need to tone down?

Pretty sure this is the first time I've ever commented on the issue here or elsewhere on Lemmy.

I see anti-AI sentiment all over the fediverse, but nothing in the original post that would indicate that these users are exclusively targeting db0 communities, just that the admins here have chosen to address it; and I agree it's a good way to handle the situation.

I think there are good and valuable use cases for AI, including generative AI.

But I also think a lot of the costs are hidden because the tools are free and easy to access, and because those coats often pretty abstract and wide-ranging so as to be difficult to observe, quantify, and attribute to an emerging technology. So I think there are a lot of really valid reasons to question casual use of those tools because they do not exist outside of capitalism.

The point of my earlier post wasn't meant to be that all use of AI is bad or that somebody using it to make a meme or art of their big-titty anime waifu is directly putting artists out of work, but I also don't think that those things are entirely separable, either.

And since I was replying to a user whose comment made a blanket claim implying that casual use of generative AI is trivial, well... no, I don't think it is.

I've done all sorts of art in my life. Sometimes as a job. And it's personally pretty disheartening to see comments like "it just looks like AI, human-made art doesn't look like that" because yes, it sometimes does, even if the poster has never seen human-made art like that.

But I've also spent the last few years watching dozens of friends and former coworkers lose their careers and their livelihoods en masse for no reason other than naked greed.

I think that making art more accessible through AI can be a really cool and pretty liberating thing for a lot of people, but as it's being employed by the big corporate players, it does have big serious negative externalities for working artists and for cultural products writ large, and I think that's worth bringing up.

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[-] UniversalMonk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Fair, but this happens in EVERY profession. Happened with people who sewed clothes, weavers, photographers (once a camera was on every single phone), now coders, etc. Also very few artists made money anyway. People who like to do art for personal and fun reason, still can.

Source: I used to be a professional artist/graphic artist for a living. I was able to do it for 35 years before I retired last year. It was always a grind, and very few could make it. Even though I was good enough for it to be my only paycheck for most of my career, I still love AI artwork. :)

World changes. People crying about it and "boycotting" lemmy communities because they don't like it won't change anything at all. Not even a little bit.

AI isn't going anywhere, regardless of how mad people on Lemmy are about it. Not only that, but a lot of nerdy stuff they do now like vid games, DnD, etc, already incorporate AI and will continue to do so. I still have contacts in the industry, I know what the marketing departments are doing. Lemmy won't even know what is AI and what isn't.

There are still people here who say "Oh just look at the hands!" Friends, there are lots of ai models that have figured that out.

Marketing teams aren't using ai that looks ai. Most food photos you see are ai. Most graphics you are seeing on vid game covers and ads are ai. Funiture ads are ai. You are already being duped because you think you "know AI" when you see it. Actually, no you don't. You know BAD ai when you see it. Good ai is something that you don't even realize is ai. And it's already everywhere. lmao

[-] altkey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 days ago

There are still people here who say "Oh just look at the hands!"

I agree with you and I want to add that hands are very difficult even for artists, probably more than the whole body anatomy, thus hands studies are pretty popular with the beginners to nail natural angles, proportions etc. GenAI companies probably did just that - fed their models thousands of hands pictures - so it'd 'learn' how to draw (copy) them. I find this kinda funny.

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[-] Grimy@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago

It's a good idea in spirit but the tags will mostly be used to brigade and not to filter in my opinion. Most apps dont even have the feature if I'm not mistaken.

[-] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 2 days ago

If they brigade, we'll handle it

[-] Even_Adder@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago

It's been going on for a while now on [!lemmydirectory@lemmy.dbzer0.com](/c/lemmydirectory@lemmy.dbzer0.com). The sidebar even says:

Our community has bots making regular posts showcasing best content from communities in given categories to help promote them. Each category is assigned to it’s own bot to allow users blocking posts from unwanted categories and tailor the feed for their preferences without the need to block the whole community. Here’s the current list of bot accounts:

I'm not sure how much clearly marked posts are going to help the problem. I feel like the people browsing through all are targeting the content and won't ever see the sidebar.

[-] Flatworm7591@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 2 days ago

I already raised that concern as well, but I do think it's worth a try. Would be great to dupe the functionality of the NSFW tag for this purpose.

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[-] synae@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 2 days ago
[-] Widdershins@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

What about that mod banning people from ai communities before they could block the community?

[-] hendu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 2 days ago

If they don't want to see the AI communities anyway, is that really a problem?

One person said they can't block communities that banned them

[-] y0kai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago

Why do you need to block something you are banned from?

So they don't see it

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[-] UniversalMonk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 days ago

Then people who hate ai should be grateful, because they don't want anything to do with that community anyway. :)

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