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What's your favourite OS that does not use systemd? (discuss.tchncs.de)
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[-] Limonene@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

My favorite is Debian, with systemd uninstalled. At this point, you can't install Debian without systemd, but you can uninstall systemd after OS installation.

It used to be that most desktop environments in Debian depended on libpam-systemd, which depended on systemd and systemd-sysv. More recently, desktop environments just depend on libpam-elogind and elogind which is only part of systemd, and allows you to use sysvinit.

I prefer sysvinit mainly because I find it easier to create custom services out of my own programs. My success rate at doing this in systemd is 1/3, and in sysvinit about 10/10.

I also had a problem where a Debian-based embedded system had some kind of broken NTP client running on startup, and due to systemd, I couldn't figure out how to disable it. It would set the time to several years into the future, as soon as it first got a network connection on each startup.

[-] backgroundcow@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

After having a lot of sysvinit experience, the transition to setting up my own systemd services has been brutal. What finally clicked for me was that I had this habit of building mini-services based on shellscripts; and systemd goes out of its way to deliberately break those: it wants a single stable process to monitor; and if it sniffs out that you are doing some sketchy things that forks in ways it disapproves of, it is going to shut the whole thing down.

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[-] QuazarOmega@lemy.lol 1 points 2 months ago

cat propaganda

[-] ParadeDuGrotesque@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 2 months ago

It's either Slackware (Linux, no systemd), OpenBSD or NetBSD.

True story: I install a Red Hat server with a disk shelf with about 12 SAS disk in it. Red Hat has systemd. Everything works fine for a month.

One (1) disk out of the 12 fails. No biggie. Shutdown the server cleanly. Replace disk. Flip power back on. Rebuild disk config. Simple, right?

Wrong. You see, systemd is unhappy. It detects a new disk. It has lost a previous disk. And so, it refuses to boot. Period.

Yes, there are ways out of this. But that was the day I decided systemd was the down of the devil.

[-] 4am@lemm.ee 1 points 2 months ago

This has never happened to me on a systemd server before. Methinks you left out some details

[-] dukatos@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 months ago

Probably systemd panicked because disk id has changed. Not a reason to stop booting but that is why people hate it. Tries to handle everything, badly.

[-] The_Decryptor@aussie.zone 1 points 2 months ago

I mean, the point of the init process is to bring up the filesystem and disks, if the configuration is wrong that'll be the process to complain about it.

[-] CodeHead@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

FreeBSD.

And you can run Linux stuff just fine.

[-] percent@infosec.pub 1 points 2 months ago

macOS. I find it to be the least inconvenient for most of my needs.

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[-] r_deckard@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

OS400 (IBM i)

[-] CriticalMiss@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

Alpine. It’s very lightweight.

[-] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 months ago

Probably PalmOS.

[-] exu@feditown.com 0 points 2 months ago

systemd is great

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[-] TheBat@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

Windows 7

[-] serenissi@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

There are few system manager (single project or a mix of components) that use linux features efficiently and none have dev resource remotely comparable to systemd. That's why in practice systemd is the best system layer implementation on gnu/linux. Android and chromeos userland (upstart derived) are not exactly (freedesktop) gnu/linux.

EDIT: the post ask which OS though. Including userland I like android a lot, but I would say illumos distros (OI currently). illumos has a system management similar to systemd (contracts in place of cgroups for example). Actually systemd was heavily inspired by SMF too.

[-] joel_feila@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago

🤔Windows 🤣

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