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[-] Mvlad88@lemmy.world 45 points 6 months ago

Add Putin in the mix and you have the 4 Geriatrics of the Apocalypse.

[-] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 7 points 6 months ago

And none of them atheist. Religion is a cancer.

[-] sheogorath@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

Even without religion, megalomaniacs will always have a justification for their genocide.

[-] answersplease77@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Does Netenyahu represent Judaism? Trump stands for Christianity? Khomini for Islam? Hitler for Atheism?

No, none of them is religious they each abuse an extreme version of Judaism, Christianity, Islam, or even Athisim as well. They prey and indoctrinate their audiance with shitty idologies to stay in power through it. In case of Athiesm, China replaced religon with a cult of patrioty through which they could justify their minority genocide and the endless list of CCP oppression.

[-] xtapa@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 6 months ago

Hitler was not an Atheist. What the fuck are you talking about?

[-] Machinist@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

I thought Hitler was some sort of vegan atheist with a little sprinkle of occult Arayan BS? Christian trappings were for the masses and rank and file?

Personal general impression, no source.

[-] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

He wasn't a member of a major religious group, but he was definitely not an atheist. There has been a tremendous effort to sanitize Hitler's image, and that of the Nazi's in general, into something less problematic for the images of a great many groups/organizations they were associated with (look up the 'clean wehrmacht' myth if you want to see how this works). Since showing Hitler was a staunch supporter of your opponent's viewpoint would be an instant victory in basically any discussion, and revulsion of atheists is one of those rare things religions can generally all agree about, the two get lumped together not infrequently.

It's... unpleasant, to say the least.

[-] answersplease77@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

He was:

https://warfarehistorynetwork.com/hitlers-religion-was-hitler-an-atheist-christian-or-something-else

Regardless even if he was a "christian", he was preaching an extreme idology that did not belong to any religon.

[-] xtapa@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

You say he was, and then post an article that concludes

it seems evident his religion was closest to pantheism

and then talks about how he constantly talked about god as this or god as that. Pantheism is not Atheism and the constant babbling of what god does or wants as if it was fact he exists certainly isn't either.

Then there's "Mein Kampf" where Hitler himself talks about continuing "the work of the Lord".

So glaube ich heute im Sinne des allmächtigen Schöpfers zu handeln: Indem ich mich des Juden erwehre, kämpfe ich für das Werk des Herren.

So today I believe I am acting in the spirit of the almighty Creator: By resisting the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.

This senctence is in basically every german history schoolbook.

A speech of him from 1927:

Wir müssen Gott dan­ken für diese Gnade. (…) Gott hat Völker, aber keine Klassen geschaffen.

We must thank God for this grace. (…) God created peoples, not classes.

And a speech from 1939:

Es sei „eine Anmaßung, anzunehmen, daß der liebe Gott die Welt nur für ein oder zwei Völker geschaffen habe.“

It is “presumptuous to assume that the dear/good Lord created the world only for one or two peoples.”

"Der liebe Gott" is a german christian notion I cannot find a good translation for.

Spoken like a real Atheist, eh?

Hitler constantly talks about God, what he thinks he wants him to do or what would serve his (Gods) purpose. Hitler. Was. Not. An. Atheist.

Every attempt to make him a "not christian" comes down to "no true scotsman", as you skillfully demonstrate:

he was preaching an extreme idology that did not belong to any religon

[-] answersplease77@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Good writeup man, but it's still subjective because you may have proved what he showed, but not really what he stood for and believed inside. He lied about talking to god to comit horrible crimes then took his own life when felt surrounded. Every action there really concludes that he really believed that there is no god aka an atheist. Btw similarly I can prove to you that David Miscavige really believes in that Scientology spaceship coming at the end of times. I can quote him and show that all ot David Miscavige 100% belives in the narrative of scientoligy, while both of us we know this criminal scum indocrinated his followers with evil ideas for his benefit and that he actually inside does not belive in that scientology stuff.... but thatwill remain subjective still. That's why I know and think Hitler was an Atheist. it doesnt mean atheism is bad or that we should demonize atheists.

[-] xtapa@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

but it’s still subjective because you may have proved what he showed, but not really what he stood for and believed inside

A thing no one can do.

He lied about talking to god

Opinion with no base. One could say >subjective

Every action there really concludes that he really believed that there is no god aka an atheist

Thats both, opinion with no base and bullshit. Christians (or believers of any religion) do and have done horrible things. Being a christian / theist does not stop you from being a bad person. You want to tell me that Hitler was no true scotsman?

Btw similarly I can prove to you that David Miscavige really believes in that Scientology spaceship coming at the end of times. I can quote him and show that all ot David Miscavige 100% belives in the narrative of scientoligy

And thats all you can do, because you, just like me, can not tell what people think or believe.

while both of us we know (...) that he actually inside does not belive in that scientology stuff

I don't. And I think it's arrogant to pretend to know what someone believes when he states other.

this criminal scum indocrinated his followers with evil ideas for his benefit

Not a thing a believer couldn't do. Actually a thing believers quite often do.

but thatwill remain subjective still

Agree.

That’s why I know and think Hitler was an Atheist

You don't know, you just think. And for what we have left on the table to examine, you're wrong.

it doesnt mean atheism is bad or that we should demonize atheists

Yet, believers commonly use the lie of "Hitler beeing atheist" as an example for atheists beeing bad people.

In conclusion, once again, a pretty wordy "no true scotsman"

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[-] answersplease77@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

woah easy man. your spelling antisemitism is showing.
I wrote jewish then forgot to change it to judaism, which i wrote correctly in the first paragraph. cool?

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[-] salacious_coaster@infosec.pub 22 points 6 months ago

To be fair, rape, genocide, and punishing women for shit that isn't their fault are all biblical values.

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[-] confusedpuppy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 6 months ago

Politics is just a bunch of old men helicoptering at each other while the rest of us watch, suffer and die.

[-] buttnugget@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago

Until a younger person gets into office, then it’s a younger person doing the exact same.

[-] NoForwardslashS@sopuli.xyz 2 points 6 months ago

All people do these days is watch old men helicoptering, suffer, eat hot chip and die.

[-] nonentity@sh.itjust.works 10 points 6 months ago

Seniority should demote individuals, from positions of power, to those of advisory.

Privilege readily blinds those who experience it.

Authoritarianism is most attractive to the weakest.

Religion is the most destructive human invention.

I’m not into kink shaming, unless practicing it inflicts harm in a non-consensual manner.

[-] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago

We've been having idiots like this for thousands of years. Some things never change.

[-] raltoid@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

As long as enough people are narcissistic and lack empathy, this will happen. Because at the end of the day, conservatism is narcissism. As is easily demonstrated in all tthe "leaporads ate my face" social media groups. Where you can see them cheering something on when it's hurting others, and then crying as soon as it impacts themselves or someone close to them.

If the war didn’t mean innocent civilians dying everywhere, I’d have posted this:

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[-] psx_crab@lemmy.zip 4 points 6 months ago

Don't forget sending people into offshore jail and refuse to let them go, and support and indirectly encouraging genocide.

[-] zjti8eit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 6 months ago

When did Trump ever claim to have backing of God?

[-] Raiderkev@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago

He claims that the assassin missing was divine intervention and he was chosen to be spared by God.

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[-] Kennystillalive@feddit.org 3 points 6 months ago

Best outcome they all they by the end of the year.

[-] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 3 points 6 months ago

How about today?

[-] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 months ago

This is what bugs me the most, old people saying crazy shit is normal. The blame is kind of on the rest of us that they got into power.

[-] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 2 points 6 months ago

Their governments should just rotate each leader once in a while just to keep things fun .... I doubt anyone would notice or that it would change world politics

[-] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I think people would notice if USA/netanyahoo started genociding the entire middle east.

[-] helvetpuli@sopuli.xyz 2 points 6 months ago

Trump is 79 as of the time of the bombing.

[-] Jikiya@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

"Father Abraham had many dumbs, and many dumbs had father Abraham..."

It makes me sad I know the song, still.

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