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Useless. Time for the Social Democrats to form their own party.

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[-] RattlerSix@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

I'm sure to get dumped on for saying this but ya'll need to chill out. President's generally have authority to carry out military strikes. I can't think of one in my lifetime that didn't bomb somebody without congressional approval beforehand. Declaring war is a different matter but all the differences and nuances and where exactly the lines are, is not something courts have ever really figured out.

This impeachment resolution specifically said he declared war and he should be impeached because it's Congress' job to declare war. That's the entirety of the complaint. It's short. And it's lazy. He didn't declare war. He certainly risked starting a war, but he didn't declare one. Democrats would have looked stupid for impeaching him for something he didn't actually do and it would have failed just on the language alone. It did fail. And it should have.

All this 'democrats are traitors' or 'they're supporting fascism' or 'stabbing us in the back' is crazy. They put forth a really bad impeachment resolution and it got shot down. You should be mad at AOC and Green for putting up a horrible impeachment resolution. It probably looked better last week when it looked like a real war might happen, but I don't see anything impeachable here. If there is something, it's deep and nuanced, it's something that no one has ever agreed on the interpretation of, it's something that Congress has let Presidents get away with for decades.

We're not getting rid of this asshole by persuading the public that he disobeyed some highly nuanced technicality that nobody even agrees on. Shit, I'm getting sleepy just thinking about listening to a congressional hearing on it.

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[-] Buske@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

Welp There it is, on record, Both sides are the same.

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[-] OmegaLemmy@discuss.online 3 points 1 week ago

All I'm saying is that we need more Zohrans, in every city.

[-] SpaceShort@feddit.uk 3 points 1 week ago

Primary them all.

[-] ravenaspiring@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 week ago

This is the roll call of the motion to table the impeachment. It's listed by alphabetical last name, but you can find your reps in there.

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[-] Washedupcynic@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Rep Paul Tonko is one of the NY reps that voted no to impeach. I work 2 blocks from his office and plan to spend my lunch hour every day demonstrating in front of his Albany office. I already called his office to bitch. I've got printed letters that say, "Congratulations, you're a fascist collaborator." Going to be stuffing those in envelopes with glitter and putting one in the mail every single day. Give me your best for my protest signs.

[-] MutilationWave@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Something about a Tonko Truck? Like those Tonka toys. Something there. A Tonko Toy for Trump? With like a Tonka Truck wearing a red hat that says DINO instead of MAGA. People know these things right?

Maybe you can get some inspiration from this, it's not great but I'm like [7] right now.

Maybe have it loaded full of bullshit, or have him driving it.

Or have baby Trump in diapers under a Christmas tree opening up a "Tonko Truck" present.

These things used to be everywhere but I don't know if it's going to make much sense to the youngs.

[-] Corn@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago

Explicitly request a response in your letters.

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[-] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 week ago

Oh yeah, and all of these 128 Democrats will be very disappointed about something evil that the chertondoes later and "wish they would have voted differently"

Fuck all of them

[-] flandish@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

war is profit. would you expect any less from these monsters?

[-] hodgepodgin@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 week ago

Representative Mike Lawler, a New York Republican, wrote on X: "This is absurd on its face. The United States has not declared war since 1942 and has conducted over 125 different military actions since that time, including in Korea, Vietnam, the Gulf, Afghanistan, and Iraq. Presidents of both parties have relied on Article II authority, as well as AUMFs [Authorizations for Use of Military Force], to conduct targeted strikes and have not been subject to impeachment. In 2011, Barack Obama conducted an 8 month campaign in Libya to topple Gaddafi."

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[-] nthavoc@lemmy.today 2 points 1 week ago

Called it. People need to set their expectations way lower so they aren't so pissed off about the lack of action from this party. They should also read up on the legal precedents that were going to sink these articles to begin with. Democrats would have a much better chance to impeach some of the Donvict's shitty cabinet members, (Pete Hegseth, ICE Barbie, RFK, DOGE) for clearly impeachable offenses, but decided to swan dive into an empty concrete pool. So there is still no sound strategy from the democrats on how to dismantle this nightmare and only pissing the public off with limp wristed slaps.

[-] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

Maybe we shouldn't lower our expectations and instead remove everyone from the Democratic party that doesn't meet out expectations.

[-] nthavoc@lemmy.today 3 points 1 week ago

Those expectations were stated very clearly during the primaries and they thew that primary vote away. Twice. Pretty sure it was the money. It wasn't the first time either. Make a new party already dammit.

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[-] habitualTartare@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Here's the voting record to "table this discussion" a yay means against impeachment.

https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/2025175

And the congressional record. https://www.congress.gov/congressional-record/volume-171/issue-108/house-section/article/H2906-2

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