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Zohran Mamdani's Win Is the Beginning of the End of the Old Democratic Party (inthesetimes.com)

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[-] WatDabney@lemmy.dbzer0.com 57 points 1 month ago

I'm afraid it's too late though.

It's possible - arguably even likely - that the Dem establishment still won't get the message and will instead continue to try to con us into supporting corrupt neolib hacks and will continue to undermine actual leftists.

In fact, I sort of half expect the New York party to abandon Mamdani and instead back a write-in campaign for Cuomo.

I wish I was kidding.

Even if they show never-before-seen integrity and determination and actualy shift back toward supporting actual leftists (or get replaced by a new generation of leaders who will), I still think it's likely going to be too late. The longer Trump and his ilk remain in office, the more likely it becomes that opposing them will just get you on the next flight to some overseas concentration camp, or dead, or both.

[-] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 14 points 1 month ago

I wouldn't be surprised if the establishment decides open corruption is pretty cool actually and starts trying to rehabilitate Adams' image. Seems like trying to run both Adams and Cuomo is a fools errand and Adams is stubborn enough to stay in regardless so they'll have to go with him.

[-] whostosay@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

They already have, for years.

[-] kreskin@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

100%. The DNC are not your friends and havent been for a while now.

[-] Onyxonblack@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 month ago

Agree 1000% ~ there's not much hope left.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 3 points 1 month ago

It is too late for electoral politics to save democracy, if that's what you're talking about. People like Mamdani are important for the day after, but Trump will have to be deposed much like his ilk in Ukraine and Tunisia.

[-] theneverfox@pawb.social 1 points 1 month ago

The Democrats are going to try to ratfuck him, sure. They're never going to get the message

But this is how we clean them out. This is why AOC and Bernie are doing rallies - so that every seat that comes up is filled with a progressive. And this is a big seat

As for it being too late... Yeah, we're fucked. But we can still make things better. There's no reason to yield ground, maga is incredibly incompetent - they can be beat.

And there will be an after

[-] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Yeah hope has security detail. I worry ICE going grab him and disappear him. Especially if it looks like he will win the general election.

[-] jared@mander.xyz 41 points 1 month ago

🤞

[-] PixelPilgrim@lemmings.world 22 points 1 month ago

Ehhh zorhan primary win is more like first big hurtle. Now ZOHRAN has to deal with belligerent part of democratic party and independent runs

[-] hitmyspot@aussie.zone 12 points 1 month ago

He already has, up to this point. In fact, big parts of the party tried to support his competition. They failed. He's another in AOC mould. He may be good or great but there is an increasing trickle of progressive candidates.

The more that win by being good the more that can win without being so good. He may not be the Dems saviour but he's a step in the right direction and a worrying sign for Republicans and establishment politicians.

[-] oh_@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

Indeed, they dusted off big Bill Clinton even.

[-] PixelPilgrim@lemmings.world 1 points 1 month ago

Yeah I'm just saying there's a lot more to go even in this race alone. Just because ZOHRAN WON the primary that doesn't mean the Democrats leadership will be happy about it

[-] BigMacHole@sopuli.xyz 12 points 1 month ago

This is NOT true! The ONLY Reason he Won was because we DIDNT have Elon Musk Backing us or make our Platform CLEAR enough! Next time we'll spend BILLIONS of Dollars LETTING people know we WONT do ANYTHING to Improve Their Lives! THAT will bring them RUSHING back to Us!

-Chuck Schumer and The DNC!

[-] Bonus@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Hopefully

[-] mp3@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 month ago

And may it pisses off the MAGA crowd like nothing else.

[-] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago

Oh yeah don’t worry - they’re already foaming at the mouth

[-] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

Hopefully the pendulum swings back hard after this fucking year.

[-] whostosay@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Narrator: (just audible tears.)

[-] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 3 points 1 month ago

Republicans will control the supreme court for the next 20 years. We will see couple of resignations soon so they can appoint younger, crazier judges. Hopefully progressive democrats will be able to stop the slide towards dictatorship but I don't except any swinging back.

[-] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago

Democrats won't get control of the Senate until 2029 January 3rd since the only seat the democrats can win in 2026 election is Maine and its currently 53-47, everything else is locked in place by the staggered election system of the Senate.

Winning the House can't stop the Judicial appointments that only the Senate has the power to reject

[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

From your lips to the ears of Elpis.

[-] Treczoks@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

Lets see if you get a President Mamdani in a decade or two. It would be a change for the better.

[-] logi@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

He can't run for president since he wasn't born American.

[-] Treczoks@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

That is a downside, indeed.

Nonetheless, I seriously hope he has the impact on American politics he deserves. Maybe he is the GOP-killer the US so desperately needs.

[-] Maeve@kbin.earth 1 points 1 month ago

Assuming it's not another bait and switch Dem like Fetterman and Sinema.

[-] CH3DD4R_G0BL1N@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 month ago

I’m no political scientist, but I’d think he needs to win the general before this can be said.

[-] FreakinSteve@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

No. AOC was.

[-] inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

Fuck I hope so...

[-] Bigfish@lemmynsfw.com 4 points 1 month ago

Good

[-] AmidFuror@fedia.io 3 points 1 month ago

Be honest. Had you guys heard of In These Times or The Institute for Public Affairs before seeing this post?

[-] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Uh, yeah? Inthesetimes is posted all the time. Had you not?

I'm not sure why you're linking to that non-profit. Are they the owners? It's there any reason you'd expect people to recognize them?

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 2 points 1 month ago

The latter no, but the former yes. I've seen their articles floating around here.

[-] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Yo if telling yourselves that headline is what it takes to get you dudes out there to vote for the DNC so they can get to ending Citizens United, creating fair elections maps, taxing the rich, and expanding medical coverage: power to you. Let's go!

[-] aramis87@fedia.io 3 points 1 month ago

I can only hope ...

[-] logicbomb@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

God I hope so.

[-] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 month ago

I wish. It's a clear message from the constituency, but no one ever blamed the DNC for listening ti their voters too much.

[-] anarchiddy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 month ago

Either they listen to their voters and become a 'new' democratic party, or they'll continue bleeding numbers and die. Either way, it's still the beginning of the end.

[-] adubya@feddit.online 1 points 1 month ago

We've been waiting for your participation and votes in the Democratic Party. Its great to see people start taking part no matter what brings them on board. If you are excited about this consider joining your local Democratic party, every few years we re-elect everyone from the precinct all the way to the DNC. Check with your State Democratic party for more info.

[-] Maeve@kbin.earth 1 points 1 month ago

You guys can't even give proper credit and ensure candidates anyone left of "not as fascist as the other party."

Eta: and sue to keep third party candidates off the ballots in swing states

[-] adubya@feddit.online 1 points 1 month ago

We need a future where money doesn't decide politics and appreciate the work to make this an election decided on the issue. Its great day and with a great candidate winning. Having people get involved in their local party can help efforts to better align the party.

The issue about third party candidates might be a little mute in New York which is one of the last few states that has fusion voting in General elections. Its an intersting effort that allows other parties to nominate a candidate or endorse another parties candidate if they align. Seeing that Zohran Mamdani is a DSA member, its one of the voting methods that helped elect Socialist to office at the turn of the last century. Glad New York retains an intersting voting method and that former Governor Andrew Cuomo didn't succeed in ruining that legacy.

Even if you are more interested in DSA it is still worth joining the local party. I believe the DSA support the "Dirty Break" method to build off the Democrat party line and use that as leverage if they or their policies were to be pushed out.

[-] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz -1 points 1 month ago

If your intention is to bring new people into the Democratic party, you're doing a terrible job. And if it isn't and you just want to be condescending to straw men online, maybe don't tie that sort of attitude to the party. You can just be dickish in a personal capacity.

[-] Maeve@kbin.earth 1 points 1 month ago

I fervently hope so.

[-] CromulantCrow@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 month ago

Every time something hopeful like this appears I start wondering if it's safe to imagine that maybe things could get better here in the US. But so far I've been disappointed over and over. Part of me wants to just skip over the "maybe something good will happen" part and get right to the "oh, well, looks like he was assassinated by a blackwater hit squad" part. Money is power. The donor class gets what they want. And I have no faith that working within the electoral system will fix that.

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