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[-] PoastRotato@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah, of course they do. They literally form the cornerstone of your worldview. If you change someone's beliefs, you change how they see the world. That sounds pretty damn big and important.

[-] Akasazh@feddit.nl 2 points 2 weeks ago

I wish I got to be as militant about my atheist beliefs as some nut jobs can be about their faith.

Not that I really want to, but must be nice sometimes just acting like everybody that doesn't think like me is wrong

[-] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 3 points 2 weeks ago

We could go door to door spreading our disbelief. But we generally hate proselytizers.

[-] Schmoo@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 weeks ago

Some people are, it's called antitheism. I confess when I was an edgy 16yo I was like that, but I had just left a religious cult so don't judge me too harshly.

[-] DominatorX1@thelemmy.club 1 points 2 weeks ago

Why does it get that special role of "cornerstone".

You have a thousand things in your perspective. Sights, sounds, vibes, random thoughts... Why does belief get this special treatment?

[-] AnarchoEngineer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 weeks ago

I think by cornerstone, they are referencing that beliefs are assumptions that form one’s model of the world.

You think by logically building on assumptions. “I remember putting leftovers in the fridge last night, so I don’t need to make dinner tonight” You assume your memories are accurate (or accurate enough) and then build on other things you “know” to construct every thought.

Sights, sounds, and vibes are a different story. They are called qualia and the raw experience of them cannot be described.

Think of qualia like the raw data you collect from an experiment. Your worldview is the scientific model you’ve built to describe this data and it rests on both fundamental logic and the beliefs/theories you currently believe in.

Unfortunately people don’t like having to change their worldview. And when you’ve held a belief for long enough, it becomes foundational to many of your other assumptions. Some people would rather say reality is wrong than change their beliefs.

The word for a belief that cannot be changed via evidence is called a “delusion” in case you ever want to piss off a religious person who says “nothing can shake my faith” like it’s a good thing.

[-] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Sounds like the idea of "belief" is just being accepted as a religious or spiritual idea. Beliefs are the cornerstone because it's a tool we use every single day.

At the center of how we think is the fundamental idea of The Way Things Work and that comes down to how we believe the physical things around us will act and react. Just about everyone will start making a choice by comparing what we know to be real or true for ourselves and the things around us.

That cornerstone of belief is what we use to define "real and true". Ghosts or spirits are absolutely real and true for some people while others don't see the same evidence.

Beliefs get the special treatment because we are a collection of our experiences and each one of us has a different way of understanding how things work.

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[-] chunes@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

I think it's weird that people even have beliefs. Belief is a dirty word to me.

[-] DominatorX1@thelemmy.club 2 points 1 week ago

I'm inclined to agree.

[-] orbitz@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 weeks ago

I always liked the line in Dogma about them, don't turn ideas into beliefs, you can change ideas easier than beliefs. Paraphrased and I understand how much it waters down the whole problem but I still thought the idea of it was nice. Listen and be open, you shouldn't always need to be rigid. Though mean there are still ideals I'm rigid about, respect, compassion and such. Though I always thought the idea was you thought about what worked best for everyone not just what people said you should do cause tradition.

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[-] Kolanaki@pawb.social 3 points 1 week ago

I believe in science. I believe in justice, equality, and freedom. I believe fascism and capitalism is detrimental to humanity.

I do not believe in ghosts. I do not believe in gods, angels or demons. I don't believe in an afterlife. And I don't believe corporations are people.

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[-] 46_and_2@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

Judging by all the vaguely hostile comments, you seem to have struck a chord here.

[-] DominatorX1@thelemmy.club 2 points 2 weeks ago

Well that's a terrible truth.

[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

They do indeed.

My parents are deeply religious, but have never figured out that it's my siblings and I who actually answer their prayers.

[-] RagingRobot@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

God sent you to them. It was their reward for rubbing their genitals together. Thank you heavenly Father!!

[-] DarkMetatron@feddit.org 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Beliefs are important, beliefs are what gets us through life somewhat mentally sane.

Beliefs are (for example) the cornerstone of relationships, because you have to believe that your partner really loves you. There is no hard evidence for that so it can never be a fact, only a belief.

I believe that my neighbors don't plan to kill me in my sleep (why should they, I am a nice and easy neighbor), I believe that the person at the fast food corner doesn't spit on my food (and that they had washed hands after using the toilet), I believe that my landlord will some day repair the water damage in my second bathroom (and put all the bathroom stuff like sink, shower and toilet back in).

One could say that belief is behind everything where "trust" is involved. Belief is just accepting something as true, either because it is something that is a concept without hard facts (love, religion, justice, freedom, money, "the good in people") or it is something where the information are lacking either because they are not fully known yet or because it is such a complex topic that having all information is (nearly) impossible.

I believe for example that climate change is real, because I trust (there it is again) the science. I have to believe in this case because I can't have all the information without studying climate sciences, and one can argument that even our best climate scientists doesn't have all the information (models are still incomplete and simulations don't use all possible parameters) so even they have to believe for some parts.

Beliefs become problematic when people take them as hard facts, as dogmas, and become extreme.

I believe that taking extreme positions is always wrong and a way to disaster and suffering. That's one reason why I don't like faith and are against cults of any kinds.

[-] Walop@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 weeks ago

Because as Terry Pratchett astutely notes in the Hogfather belief is what makes the human society possible. We invented justice, mercy, duty, laws, money etc. They exist only because we believe in them. Some beliefs make the world better, other ones worse, and we should try to emphasize the former and minimize the latter.

[-] DominatorX1@thelemmy.club 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Ok. So there's benefit there as long as the believing is controlled.

Is there a general benefit or liability to believing? What do we gain and lose simply by believing, no matter what the belief?

[-] Karl@programming.dev 3 points 1 week ago

The more I think about it, the more I realise how less I understand this word.

[-] Mothra@mander.xyz 2 points 2 weeks ago

Yes and I believe this isn't really a showerthought

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[-] waz@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Read the book Sapiens.

Being able to believe in fiction is what allows humanity to function.

[-] DominatorX1@thelemmy.club 1 points 1 week ago

Eeeee, interesting. I'll check that out.

[-] bradorsomething@ttrpg.network 2 points 2 weeks ago

The difference between a belief and a theory is no one was ever burned at the stake disagreeing about a theory.

[-] Hackworth@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Belief is a tool for achieving effects; it is not an end in itself. -Peter J. Carroll

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[-] rumba@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 weeks ago

Belief isn't inherently bad you can believe in observational facts. It's faith that's dangerous. Any system that requires you to maintain beliefs without observable facts or in the face of negative confirmational facts is a problem.

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[-] Almacca@aussie.zone 2 points 2 weeks ago

I believe I'd like another drink.

[-] GrumpyDuckling@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 weeks ago

All I know is that nobody knows shit.

[-] Wytch@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 weeks ago

Beliefs lead to actions. Actions affect others. It's not super complicated.

[-] DominatorX1@thelemmy.club 1 points 2 weeks ago

Lots of things lead to actions. Feelings, habits, inertia, inspiration... Beliefs are not special in this.

[-] Alsjemenou@lemy.nl 1 points 2 weeks ago

Because everything we can say about reality is through the human perspective and the construct of language. We believe that this can yield us truths. But its just a belief. Our human-ness might just as well blind us to what is actually true. And as such, most of everything we think we know is based on belief. There is no escaping this problem.

[-] DominatorX1@thelemmy.club 1 points 2 weeks ago

Ahh, now that's an interesting idea. Beliefs are important because they are communicable. So belief gains weight from its social significance. As society is powerful then so are beliefs.

So a man outside society, a hermit, might find his beliefs falling away.

[-] Alsjemenou@lemy.nl 1 points 2 weeks ago

Yes. And also explains why worldviews are so different between cultural, linguistical and geographically different groups of people.

Even though we're becoming more and more unified, through the internet, through logic systems like maths or science in general. This is not to be mistaken for truth. Western scientific ideology specifically has as unspoken 'truth' that when ideas 'win', they are more valuable. While English, our logical rules, our ideologies are winning not because they are true but because they are believed more, or over, other languages, logic systems and ideologies.

Ofcourse these systems of beliefs create opportunities and knowledge for people. Don't mistake my dismissal of truth for disaproval.

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