Financial networks either need "network neutrality" rules or maybe that monopoly needs to get broken up
"Common carrier" is the jargon you're looking for.
Either you're a bank under strict regulations when you're handling that kind of money, or you have no business processing that kind of money. PayPal & co dodges most regulations due to technically not being a bank, but at that size they shouldn't be able to abuse loopholes.
Well my adult game content provider uses paypal and they have not been affected by this bullshit.
Is that because of using PayPal, or because they're small enough to have slid under the radar of these busybodies?
They aren't small, they make a shit ton of adult games. I original found their games on Steam. But found you can buy uncensored version straight from the dev. With Steam you had to get a patch.
That's what makes no sense the adult games on Sream were censored, so there was no prom to begin with. Unless you downloaded a separate patch. And you had to know how to do that.
I hope its PayPal, because if this happens to them fhey are practically out of business. Because all they make is Japanese anime porn games.
Wait, you're talking about a single developer? That's almost certainly going to be tiny. They might be relatively big for a NSFW game dev company, but that's still miniscule compared to what we're talking about here: Steam and Itch.
Uh, there definitely were non censored adult games on Steam.
Really guess it was just the one I bought.
What you playin?
Fiduciary Responsibility Simulator 2009
Nothing but I bought an adult game called Treasure Hunter Claire. They have tons more. I hsd an idea to do lets play videos but on Pornhub. But then Oklahoma came along with that law and now Pornhub is blockef here. I.do have a vpn. But I was not wanting to use that to do this with.
I'm also from Oklahoma! VPN is a must here.
Oh I have a vpn and use it. Just wish I didn't have to.
Give me some European competition please. I'm not happy about all of them being American...
Individual countries already have their own versions and an EU level version is beeing rolled out. Let's see how it works out.
Check out Taler
No joke. Payment processors absolutely need to be treated as a utility. Stuff like this is exactly why it's such a big deal to reinstate/protect net-neutrality as well. What we're watching right now with payment processors isn't even end-game yet for what they potentially could do, and it already sucks. I can't even imagine once ISP start doing the same thing. Monopolies are the death of consumer rights. The unabated power, corruption, and corporately bought and controlled laws/ governing bodies makes the entire prospect even worse.
Remember when Visa and Mastercard made a big deal defending the right to buy guns on their platform? https://finance.yahoo.com/news/visa-won-t-block-gun-180848343.html
Does a change.org petition with 100k signatures really count as "under fire"? Fuck them, but I doubt this will do anything sadly
This happened in the first place because Collective Shout turned up and said "A bunch of people are pissed off about this, do something about it." They're not a government or a major corporation, they're just a group that represents people, no different than Change.org. If a petition caused this, why can't a petition stop it?
Psychologically speaking there are now upwards of 100k people who all agree on this issue and at least some of them could potentially be mobilized in additional ways now that they know they're far from alone on how they feel.
Goodness knows that if I were told there were something I could do as part of this cohort that individually might be ineffectual but would be a death by several dozen thousand cuts for the scumbags pulling this horseshit... I'd act on it.
100,000 people who are still essentially required to use their services for most commerce and will continue to do so.
So many vendors won't take Amex or Discover due to their higher processing fees you can't really even boycott them effectively.
The members of Collective Shout are in exactly the same position. So why did the payment processors listen to them?
The fact that this whole issue even occurred is proof that public pressure, when applied smartly, does in fact work.
Exactly. Collective shout argued that these companies would lose face by processing these payments. A targeted mass response will inform them that the opposite is true
yes, can't boycott. MAYBE can do other things. Hell, if I heard that people were doing something mildly illegal en masse to fuck things up for Visa and MasterCard, I might actually consider doing it myself as well. MIGHT.
or something totally legal that isn't a boycott like showing up at their headquarters in a crowd of thousands. |
SOME people might cross the line into illegality by molotovs or other such 'implements'.
I'm honestly curious: Are you one of the people who doesn't understand how the number can be represenative how the wider populace feels? Or are you one of those who are just trying to downplay the whole thing?
I'm saying Visa and Mastercard have zero reason to change their practices because people don't really have an option not to use their services no matter how upset they are.
40k got this whole thing going, didn't it?
It was about 1,000 people from Collective Shout (who have a whopping 40,000 supporters) that got the payment processors to pull the NSFW
Has a change.org petition ever changed anything, ever?
Yes. Literally hundreds of thousands of times they have succeeded in getting what the petitioners were asking for.
Sick of this apathy crap.
What's really needed is a letter and email campaign
Att first i thought it was just PayPal. Not great but ok. Fair enough.
But Visa and MasterCard blocking stuff is not ok. Their position is too big. And too crucial in the infrastructure.
But. A bank that can get something new rolling should profit quite well, which is a good incentive to come up with alternative
...the purse strings, it's always the purse strings...
It won't matter.bi mean nothing will change. Everyone will have to keep using their services and most people just don't know or care. Until a new company that does the same job but without the bullshit (preferably a co-op) flights its way into the industry to break their monopoly, morning will change.
Am I the only one who thought from the headline that MC and Visa were censoring fake legal documents and not adult entertainment?
Something that happened or was uncovered recently anywhere in the world. It doesn't have to have global implications. Just has to be informative in some way.
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