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The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention descended into turmoil this week after Health Secretary and zealous anti-vaccine advocate Robert F. Kennedy Jr. ousted the agency's director, Susan Monarez, who had just weeks ago been confirmed by the Senate and earned Kennedy's praise for her "unimpeachable scientific credentials."

It appears those scientific chops are what led to her swift downfall. Since the Department of Health and Human Services announced on X late Wednesday that "Susan Monarez is no longer director" of the CDC, media reports have revealed that her forced removal was over her refusal to bend to Kennedy's anti-vaccine, anti-science agenda...

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[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago

It's time to start forming a parallel system of governence.

[-] GraniteM@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago

Like-minded coalitions of states should band together and start doing for themselves what the feds no longer will. Form the New England Center for Disease Control. The California and Pacific Northwest Vaccine Advisory Commission. The Mid-Atlantic Department of Education.

Don't call it secession per se. Just groups of concerned state governments doing what needs to be done to protect their citizens' best interests.

[-] DrFistington@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

Honestly, I've thought of this, and we really should. Just basically start an entirely new shadow government and get our allies to begin to work with the shadow government and cut off the current regime.

[-] AbleJauntyLobster@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

If you do this they’ll just kill you. I’m not being dramatic.

[-] Cris_Color@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

There is no overcoming this mess without them escalating. If you approach it correctly, their escalation can be used to reach more of the population and get greater public buy-in, which is needed to win.

But there is either being ineffectual and they only escalate as they find new minority groups to target, OR you legitimately challenge their power and they escalate faster and hopefully you can leverage that into a public image problem that they can't ignore, and the regime looses their critical mass of support.

From there resistance efforts can escalate without loosing as much public approval. But there's no way out of this where they don't kill a lot of people. Thats the nature of a fascist dictatorship. It would necessarily have to get worse before it could get better.

The problem quickly becomes the state's monopoly on violence, which is the core defining feature of a nation.

People can band together and form their own voluntary systems of governance, but the moment they need to enforce anything, which is inevitable even to settle good faith disagreements, it will break down.

The inevitable result of a parallel system of governance is civil war.

[-] cabron_offsets@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

It’s time to fucking riot.

[-] danc4498@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Why did they even hire this person in the first place?

[-] Red0ctober@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

I personally think it was to give RFK's ultimate goal of banning vaccines an air of legitimacy. Since Monarez has a scientific background, she could have (and was probably expected to) rubber-stamped his bullshit. Now she's out, and even called Cassidy. Shit is not looking great for RFK and his goals. We will see how it all shakes out though.

[-] danc4498@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

There’s part of me that thinks RFK really is gullible (to be generous), which is why he believes all this bullshit. So it would make sense that he thought he’d be able to convince this scientist to go along with his truth.

[-] DrFistington@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

He's never had to actually work in life, or learn anything, but has always had money and power. He's literally stupid enough to believe his own bullshit

[-] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

Just like the guy who hired him.

[-] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Doesn't he make money from the "wellness" movement?

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