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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by yogurtwrong@lemmy.world to c/linux@lemmy.ml

My brother is 12 and just like other people of his age he can't use a computer properly because he is only familiar with mobile devices and dumbed-down computers

I recently dual-booted Fedora KDE and Windows 10 on his laptop. Showed him Discovery and told him, "This is the app store. Everything you'll ever need is here, and if you can't find something just tell me and I'll add it there". I also set up bottles telling him "Your non-steam games are here". He installed Steam and other apps himself

I guess he is a better Linux user than Linus Sebastian since he installed Steam without breaking his OS...

The tech support questions and stuff like "Can you install this for me?" or "Is this a virus?" dropped to zero. He only asks me things like "What was the name of PowerPoint for Linux" once in a while

After a week I have hardly ever seen my brother use Windows. He says Fedora is "like iOS" and he absolutely loved it

I use Arch and he keeps telling me "Why are you doing that nerdy terminal stuff just use Fedora". He also keeps explaining to me why Fedora better than my "nerd OS"

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[-] reflex@kbin.social 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
[-] Ultra980@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

Linux is spreading among gen z. Source: I'm 13 and use NixOS, and my friend who's around the same age as me also uses it.

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[-] FierroGamer@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 year ago

That's amazing and encouraging, I want to hear more stories like this because when my kid grows up I plan on trying to guide him into not being tech illiterate, so far my plan is (more or less, but not exactly) to start him with a crappy but usable computer and give him upgrades he has to work for or tinker for, I feel like I learned the most by trying to squeeze performance and usability out of outdated hardware.

I don't intend to make him have my passion for computers, my intention is that he'll have the initiative to Google problems and the curiosity to solve them when it's not that easy, just having those two can get you 80%-90% there.

[-] 30isthenew29@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Who would’ve thought tech literacy was going to go down with the years? Not me…

[-] taladar@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago

Well, it has been obvious for quite a while now, pretty much since we noticed that it wasn't just the old people who "didn't grow up with it" who needed excessive amounts of hand holding when using a PC.

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As someone who is interested in starting into the world of linux, was having a second hard drive necessary for creating a dual boot system or were you able to do it all on one hard drive?

[-] Nuuskis9@feddit.nl 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I will write a guide for you via editing so others don't need to after they see this message.

Yes. 1 hard drive is enough. 2 provides you few steps less (as in manual partitioning), but the end result is exactly the same in both scenarions.

I hope your storage drive(s) is ssd and not hdd. If not, I highly recommend to buy at least used ssd (my oldest ssd is from 2010 and still works).

Manual partitioning varies a bit between Linux distros, so google the guide for the distro you want ro install.

Windows overrides and formats the Linux boot partition, so install Windows first and at the partitioning "window" write the amount of storage you want to give for Windows and it handles everything else automaticly. If your Windows is already installed, then shrink your drive with the amount you want to use in Linux. Windows has a tool named Disk Management for shrinking the drive.

In Linux you need at least two partitions; boot (In Linux terms: /boot/uefi) and root (in Linux terms: / ). But like I said, Google/Youtube a guide for your distro of choice.

Have you chosen which distro you'll use? If not, format your biggest usb stick with Ventoy2Disk and it'll be the last time you ever format your usb stick. Just drag and drop any Linux .iso and try them in Live mode without the need to format or install anything before you've chosen which distro you like the most. Linus Tech Tips showed Ventoy2Disk in his latest video.

Try at least Pop_OS! and Linux Mint since they are very beginner friendly distros.

Dual boot isn't the easiest way to start your Linux journey, but I hope you have fun while learning new skills. If you have anything to ask, don't hesitate, just ask.

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[-] wolo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 1 year ago

Windows doesn't like to acknowledge that other operating systems exist, so (at least from my experience) it will overwrite your Linux bootloader whenever it updates, or sometimes it'll just do it because it feels like it...

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[-] necrxfagivs@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

I've read that some people have problems, but I used to dual boot (now I keep each os in a separate hard drive) without issues. Is a really straight forward process but if you get issues the online community is amazing and there are tons of docs (and reddit threads, some of them are deleted now or moved to Lemmy).

Linux is great! I started dual booting windows and Linux Mint, tried a lot of distros (this is called distro hopping) all Ubuntu based while using primarily Windows. After a while I got tired with windows and felt more comfortable with Linux, so I wiped Windows and installed Fedora Workstation (there's a community for ASUS gaming laptops that have a guide for Fedora).

If you just want to get a feel of Linux, you can also run it in a Virtual Box, setting it to full screen makes you feel like you are using Linux, but obviously that comes with limitations.

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[-] mbryson@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 year ago

I had the same thought process seeing the software repository on Linux Mint for the first time. It really is set up like a MacOS or general Appstore interface.

Happy for your brother getting comfortable with Linux so quickly! Way to go!

[-] FermatsLastAccount@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

My 11 year old brother had been using PopOS for a while. Unfortunately Roblox recently intentionally broke Wine support and I had to put Windows on his computer.

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[-] buwho@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago
[-] wolre@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

I mean, the outcome speaks for itself. Although I would likely have gone for Gnome instead of KDE for somebody who is completely new to Linux and not exactly techy. I use KDE myself, but I have to say that the out-of-the-box look and feel of Gnome is a lot more polished.

[-] yogurtwrong@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

Yeah, I installed KDE because it functions similarly to Windows. But something like Budgie would be ok too I guess

Also, I think young people like theming. My brother uses KDE's theme store a lot

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[-] retiolus@lemmy.cat 9 points 1 year ago

At home, my parents are forced to use Windows and macOS because of their work, but all the machines at home are either Linux or a Linux/Windows dual-boot. The mobile phones run LineageOS. I haven't succeeded with my little brother, who's the only one with an iPhone.

Everyone's happy, and when there's a problem (which happens quite rarely), I'm asked, and it's solved in seconds. Most of the time, no one misses proprietary applications, and everyone's surprised that everything's free, hahaha.

[-] merthyr1831@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Windows really screwed itself over with how it handled its integrated app store. By making it Microsoft-owned and moderated with a bunch of caveats on the format (compared to most Linux package repositories) you ended up with shit like FOSS apps being repackaged and sold for money, low quality ports of apps, and a bunch of bullshit that made people avoid it like the plague.

Linux for its faults with how package management works is far superior to even MacOS when it comes to finding free or low cost software. You get 80% of your apps available thanks to flatpaks and new apps can be uploaded with very little hassle compared to even iOS or Android. No fees, no lengthy review process (which could be a disadvantage arguably) and software is much restricted by the platform host.

While GenZ/A may be known for being bad with computers, I think it might just be a sign that Windows is so outdated and poorly designed that people coming from better-designed platforms are confused at shit older folk just put up with for decades.

[-] unalkalkan@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Heyy, you should install this grub theme for your lil brother. I think he might love it

https://github.com/Lxtharia/minegrub-theme

[-] selawdivad@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago

My 3 year old daughter has a 2010 MacBook running AntiX. She knows how to boot it, press Enter on the dual-boot screen, and is getting close to being able to select Stardew Valley from the app menu. She also enjoys playing GCompris.

[-] privsecfoss@feddit.dk 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I have used Linux for a while and transitioned the wife and kids to Linux Mint a couple years ago.

They know it is different than Windows but never miss anything as the alternatives are as good or better. The kids are used to mobile and tablets so know of app store and so on. The only downside is getting some games their friends play working, like Roblox. But for the most part alternatives like Minetest are fine (better).

The upside is IMHO massive in terms of privacy, security, user friendless and sysadm stuff.

It just works and we're happy with it!

[-] B4tid0@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

You did IT! Amazing!

[-] Anticorp@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago

Do you think I would have a similar experience if I got my 70 year old mother to install Linux? She's on the other side of the country, but she's always asking me questions about Windows 11 and breaking things. I have never even used Windows 11, so my capacity to help her isn't great, especially since we haven't been able to get Remote Desktop working since she switched from 10 to 11.

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