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[-] stabby_cicada@slrpnk.net 14 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

The more I read, the more I shared the author's frustration here. The person the author was arguing with was claiming that "punk" can't exist in a utopia, that it needs a dystopian society to rebel against, so because "solarpunk" is a utopian movement it can't be punk.

Which, one, that's pedantic bullshit that quibbles about terminology and makes no substantive critique of solarpunk ideas; two, it's wrong, because solarpunk as a genre does have a dystopia it's rebelling against, and that dystopia is the modern 21st century capitalist West; and three, there is nothing less punk than trying to gatekeep the definition of "punk".

Which is to say, the more I read, the more disappointed I was in this article, because there are genuine substantive critiques of solarpunk, eg as an escapist fantasy, as impractical utopianism, and ultimately this whole long article was just an argument about whether we should call solarpunk punk.

But there were some good book recommendations in it, so that's cool.

[-] solarpunkgirl@slrpnk.net 2 points 4 weeks ago
[-] stabby_cicada@slrpnk.net 2 points 4 weeks ago

Nah. Tbh it's just your average Twitter comment thread, arguing over pointless shit, and then one side of the argument reposting the thread on their own website with a bunch more commentary about why they're right.

And it's the side I agree with, but still.

[-] SteveKLord@slrpnk.net 9 points 4 weeks ago

Since this was posted, the author has joined Mastodon if you want to follow him on the Fediverse : @eruditelijah@kolektiva.social

[-] poVoq@slrpnk.net 4 points 4 weeks ago

Cool, will do.

[-] underline960@sh.itjust.works 5 points 4 weeks ago

This is why, at the end of the day, even amidst my anger and frustration… I do have empathy for people who don’t understand solarpunk. Because they are falling prey to the actual critique I have of the genre. That we simply need more of it. That there’s not enough out there that really delves into the nuts and seeds. At least not enough to overpower the AI slop and greenwashing and capitalization of these concepts.

It feels like solarpunk is suffering from the same problem that communism and socialism have for decades: the people who are trying to build a real movement under that name are getting drowned out out tourists and haters, to the point that the strawman version is more recognisable than the "real" version.

When I first learned about the movement, I was excited and started building my own project under the banner. As I explored more, I was disappointed by how much AI slop and pie-in-the-sky roleplay there was.

I'm still building my project, but I may not publish it as a solarpunk work because I don't want it to be tainted by association with the strawman.

[-] Doctorbllk@slrpnk.net 6 points 4 weeks ago

The only way to continue to deny the incorrect view of solarpunk is to contribute to the appropriate view of it! If you believe in the idea, don't give up on it

@underline960 @poVoq

🎵Everybody solarpunk tonight🎶

Perhaps a call for stories might help?

What if, for #SolarpunkSunday we ask folx to try picking a tenet from the manifesto and writing a flash fiction, microfiction story to post, blam, splat, just try it, just for fun.

Toss a seed ball. Catch one. Toss it back or to someone else.

@DoomsdaysCW @MaQuest what do you think?

https://storyseedlibrary.org/essays/solarpunk-manifesto/

https://storyseedlibrary.org/seeds/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_fiction

Word count per instance max?🌞

[-] poVoq@slrpnk.net 1 points 4 weeks ago

@underline960 @poVoq @DoomsdaysCW @MaQuest

"How's that garden coming along?"
"Not too good. Needs more sun, and more water."
"Well, are you watering it? In this drought you gotta cuz you can't count on it raining."
"Been trying, but I have to go get it all from the fire station. That's a lot of gallons to haul. No well yet."
"Jeez, you shoulda said. You can use my hose to water if you want. My well's good."
1/?

#SolarpunkSunday
#SolarpunkWriting #SolarpunkWriteABeautifulFuture

@underline960 @poVoq @DoomsdaysCW @MaQuest

2/?
Ok, micro not flash.

"Really??! Thanks Brenda! That oughta help."
"Sure thing. You shoulda just asked me."
"Well, I didn't want to bother you. Thanks though! Wish we could get sun out of the hose too."
"Too bad you didn't have Bev's place. Her lawn gets all kinds of sun all day long. Bet she could grow lots tomatoes. Corn too. Look at it!"
"Yeah. I do, every time I come."
"Why don't you ask her if you can use it?

@underline960 @poVoq @DoomsdaysCW @MaQuest

3/?

She doesn't do anything with it."
"Think she would??? I hate to bother her. We don't really know each other, just nod in passing."
"Who knows? Can't hurt to ask. We're having drinks on Thursday. Come over and ask her then."
"Mm. That's a thought."
"Oh come on, just come over. I got that new red from Oyster River on sale at the coop. I'll get the conversation going in that direction."
"OK. We'll see how it goes."

@underline960 @poVoq @DoomsdaysCW @MaQuest

4/?

Thursday sunset, Brenda's porch.

"Crow, where'd you get this cheese? It's really good!"
"Mm, goes nice with this red too. Any more of that bread Brenda?"
"Yeah, I'll cut some more"
"I got it from Bear at the farm up by the falls. Xe makes it with xyr goats milk. Xe told me this batch is from Sunshine, Minx and Reny. They all got into the peach trees last week. Ate a bunch."
"Bet it would go good with Crow's cherry tomatoes,

@underline960 @poVoq @DoomsdaysCW @MaQuest

5/?

if they ever ripen up." Brenda eyes Crow.
Crow looks down at table, stuffs bread crust in xyr mouth.
"So I think you need more sun than that spot gets if you want tomatoes. Whatcha think Bev, huh? More sun, right?"
Crow coughs, curls lower into seat.
"I don't know anything about gardening, but I know you need sun."
"Well there you go. Sun like you have on that lawn you never use, huh Bev? Crow, didn't you want to ask Bev about that?"

@underline960 @poVoq @DoomsdaysCW @MaQuest

6/?

Bev looks at Crow. Crow looks at Brenda with panic face.
"What's that?"
"Crow wants to talk to you about all that sunny lawn you got."
"What about it?" Looks at Brenda, then Crow.
"Um. Well, um, I was, um, wondering."
"What? Wondering what?"
"If you would, like, mind, if I, maybe, planted some things on your lawn, next to where my garden ends? If that would be ok?"
"You want to put tomatoes on my lawn?"
"Um. Well, maybe, yeah if,

@underline960 @poVoq @DoomsdaysCW @MaQuest

7/? Eeks, getting long. Trying to wrap up.

"...if you wouldn't mind?"
"I like having a lawn. But I suppose a tomato or 2 would be ok. If you take care if it!"
"Really?? That would be great! Thank you!"
"And how bout some corn? You liked that sweet corn we had Saturday. Wouldn't it be nice to have it right nearby? Tell her Crow. You could plant corn too, in that full sun."
"Weeeell..."
"I could plant some for all of us if you like."

@underline960 @poVoq @DoomsdaysCW @MaQuest

8/?

"Well. Lemme think about it. How much space you talking?"
"Tell you what Bev. Saturday let's go walk the corn patch there now. The more we plant, the more we can eat."
"I'll bring some more cheese and bread, and peaches if the goats haven't gotten 'em all yet. We can have a picnic!"
"Mm. Peaches, huh. That'd be good. I s'pose we can take a look."

Could stop here. Or, Saturday, sitting on straw bales by corn patch in Crow's garden.

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