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Outside a train station near Tokyo, hundreds of people cheer as Sohei Kamiya, head of the surging nationalist party Sanseito, criticizes Japan’s rapidly growing foreign population.

As opponents, separated by uniformed police and bodyguards, accuse him of racism, Kamiya shouts back, saying he is only talking common sense.

Sanseito, while still a minor party, made big gains in July’s parliamentary election, and Kamiya's “Japanese First” platform of anti-globalism, anti-immigration and anti-liberalism is gaining broader traction ahead of a ruling party vote Saturday that will choose the likely next prime minister.

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[-] jaschen306@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 months ago

My wife and I loves Japan and we visit quite often prior to having kids. Once we had kids, the people's attitude changes towards you. Suddenly my crying kid is annoying everyone and throwing shade. Elevators and seats clearly designated for strollers is often filled to the brim and nobody getting off/out.

It's a culture of hating kids.

Fun fact. Women who have kids must give up their careers. Grandparents is culturally not allowed to help with the grand kids. Like, you pop them out, you take care of them yourself, often without even help from the father.

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[-] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

At any point they can start giving people a UBI and they will have the option to quit their jobs and raise a family.

The old ways of systemic slavery will not work as human societies progress, especially in our post scarcity world.

[-] badgermurphy@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago

I would personally consider it very shaky ground to found a family on if my ability to support them came in the form of a government stipend I have no direct control over.

Can't we instead restore the economy to functionality rather than slapping a big "UBI" patch on the big crack in the dam?

Restoring earning power to the middle class such that a single income can support a household will give families the stability they need to start families with out handing over all the mechanisms of the economy to a single, potentially untrustworthy entity the way UBI does.

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[-] shalafi@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago

As the population ages out of the work force, and fewer replacements are coming in, where's your tax base to support UBI? And if you say tax the rich, they won't be rich long with no workers to leech off of.

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[-] it_depends_man@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

"Population crisis" is a myth, created by people who want cheap labor. What's the crisis? What's so bad about a declining population number? Spell it out!

It's also possible they are racist.

But if the choice were between racist and greedy, I'm going to bet on greedy 100% of the time.

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[-] Someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 3 months ago

The "Japanese First" platform sounds an awful lot like the "Asia for Asians" slogan of pre WWII imperial Japan. It's not a pretty thought but it's hard to blame them when the US is looking less and less like an ally and trading partner on the world stage.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 0 points 3 months ago

It's not a pretty thought but it's hard to blame them when the US is looking less and less like an ally and trading partner on the world stage.

This has nothing to do with geopolitics and everything to do with xenophobia and poor governance. Japan's economy has been in a slump since its bubble burst in the 90s and the center-right LPD (which they for some reason keep electing) has been unable or unwilling to fix it, leading to a recent surge in third parties as people finally decide to look for alternatives, and due to xenophobia et al the far-right was able to market itself as a compelling alternative.

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[-] tiredofsametab@fedia.io 0 points 3 months ago

In exit polls from the last election foreigner problems (which lumps tourists in with residents) was still only like 3rd. And for the foreigner issues, overtourism and people buying property and pricing out locals are big issues (and sometimes running (often illegal) guesthouses).

[-] TheBat@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

Should I cancel my trip there in December? 😰

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[-] rizzothesmall@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 months ago

Japan's population crisis is caused by its young people being too overworked and overcharged to want to have children. Their population by age is becoming very top-heavy which means that the young are paying a lot to keep the old alive.

The solution to this (apart from don't get into such a situation) is to import young workers to even out your population spread and to raise wages in line with the cost of living and raising a family.

They appear to be shouting "Damn foreigners! Coming over here and making all our elderly live longer than we can economically support them! Overworking our breeding generation so they don't want kids! Curse those foreigners!"

[-] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 0 points 3 months ago

(overworks and robs an entire generation to death)

"Why would foreigners do this?"

Also I'm almost getting tired of posting this brilliant illustration but sheesh, if the jingoistic authoritarian entitlement clan isn't using the same playbook every. Time.

[-] ztwhixsemhwldvka@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago

I'm not sure I like this comic because it suggests:

  1. The immigrant worker is absent a cookie not the other way around
  2. That the working class is dimwitted and easily hoodwinked into racism

I think both assumptions are actually copes by a middle class who, afraid to look at its own complicity in neoliberalism, find's easier to condemn the common people as racist and intellectually deficient.

In actuality I think the working class is intuitively aware that their disfranchisement is directly connected to policies like immigration. Along with the opening up of global markets which had a disruptive affect on wages the policy of open immigration has kept wages low and fractured communities and a common sense of culture.

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[-] sturmblast@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

Aww cmon Japan, I love you guys.. I was thinking about escaping there.

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[-] fin@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 months ago

He's supported by the most exceptionally ignorant among the right-wing (whom we call 'netto-uyoku'—Internet right-wings). Many people in Japan use Xitter as their primary source of information and are being brainwashed by the xenophobic conspiracies flooding the platform. This country is over; it's actually worse than America, IMHO.

[-] bss03@infosec.pub 0 points 3 months ago

I'm a fairly open borders guy, but if you want to have near-zero immigration to avoid foreigners, the country HAS to improve the life of persons, particularly women, so that having children and raising them to adulthood is a activity that is more joy than stress. Otherwise, you'll go the way of South Korea.

Of course, the "correct" behavior is to not treat foreigners as other, but as "merely" different aspects of self. Then seek to integrate all tolerant persons that want to immigrate; likely through multiculturalism.

[-] hanrahan@slrpnk.net 0 points 3 months ago

the country HAS to improve the life of persons, particularly women, so that having children and raising them to adulthood is a activity that is more joy than stress.

There is no developed country on the planet where women have the replacment rate or more of children..it will never matter how much support they get. Look to Sweden etal

Always and every time if women are given the ability to be independent and have a choice they will nearly all choose 0,1 or 2. All of that leads to negative population growth. For every woman that chooses 0, you need another that chooses 3 or 4 just for stasis

What you're describing does and would never exist unless women are coerced, have no contraception or are brainwashed (religion) the vast majority obky ont 0,1 or 2.

To have a larger family women need a tribe, we no longer live in tribes (as we did for nearly all of human existence) so the support network is a horror and always will be with the stupidity that is a nuclear famiky.

Then there is ecology, the planet is massively over populated, we are killing ourselves in our own filth, we should have less then a billion people amd probably closer to 100 million.

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[-] LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

Wouldn't it be interesting as the New world order becomes a thing maybe, they shake things up and require everyone to return to whichever country their skin color matches. USA would become Native American again, and all the white people would have to go back to Europe 😄

[-] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 0 points 3 months ago

What about mutts?

[-] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 3 months ago

The populist surge comes as Japan, a traditionally insular nation that values conformity and uniformity, sees a record surge of foreigners needed to bolster its shrinking workforce.

Here's your short reminder that there is no such thing as a "too small workforce".

Anti-immigrant policies, which allow populists to vent their dissatisfaction on easy targets, are appealing to more Japanese as they struggle with dwindling salaries, rising prices and bleak future outlooks.

A smaller supply of labor on the labor market means that higher prices will be paid for said labor, which means higher salaries. The decline of japanese population is a good thing for the people. Trying to "fill up" that population with foreigners is the most wrong thing anybody could do in that situation.

I fully, 100% support the japanese people with trying to uphold their own culture, their own way of life, and deal with their problems themselves. If you rely on foreigners to solve your problems, then you have already lost. In fact, you never even tried. If you have dwindling salaries and you try to fix the problem by giving away more jobs to other people, then you're stupid and shouldn't hold a ruling position. That's economics 101, not a conspiracy theory.

I mean, America has traditionally been an immigration country. 97% of people in the US today are the descendants from immigrants, so at least there i can understand that immigration seems like a historically continuous process. But japan always had little migration, both in and out. It's pissing me off that newspapers say we need to "fix" our declining birthrates. We don't need to "fix" it because it's not a problem. It's just people giving the planet a break and creating some more space for themselves. Fewer people in a country means more resources per person. That increases the resource supply and decreases the Cost of Living; which probably increases the Quality of Life.

[-] Shard@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

This is the longest piece of horseshit I've seen all week.

There is absolutely such a thing as too small a workforce. Higher prices for labor eventually means higher prices for goods. Until it all breaks down because you don't have enough working people for a functional society.

Who takes care of the elderly or works essential jobs like healthcare? There are maximum ratios for emergency care nurses to patients. Even if you tripled their pay its not going to budge that ratio one bit.

[-] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 3 months ago

What you're forgetting is that the demand for human labor is going to decrease due to automation. You may or may not believe this, but i certainly do.

[-] fantasyocean@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 3 months ago

Right, so how does xenophobia solve automation? The robot takes the job from the immigrant who allegedly took the job, meanwhile, the robber baron is laughing all the way to the bank he's about to own.

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