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[-] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago

As an exmuslim, I'm disappointed in this comment section.

islam is NOT your friend. Simping for it just shows that you're either ignorant or you're hypocrite with not prinicples. islam, as an ideology is so unbelievably vile that it's a very strong contender for being the worst ideology in history. Pedophilia, sex slavery, rape, misogyny, wife beatings, normal slavery, genocide, terrorism, homophobia, violent colonialism, apartheid governance, censorship, intentional discrimination and hatred, and barbaric capital punishment are all explicitly allowed and encouraged in the islamic scriptures.

This is not just me making things up, I can literally show you either verses from the quran, sahih hadiths, or both explicitly allow and encourage every single one of these. I'm against bigotry and bigots, however, I am also against those who cover for them. In this case, islam is just as bigoted, if not more bigoted, than the person in the post, and the people covering for islam aren't any better. I will always stand tall and proud on the side of people who exercise their right to free speech to criticize islam, and expose the religion for what it is, despite the dangers of doing so.

[-] farngis_mcgiles@sh.itjust.works 11 points 3 days ago

Pedophilia, sex slavery, rape, misogyny, wife beatings, normal slavery, genocide, terrorism, homophobia, violent colonialism, apartheid governance, censorship, intentional discrimination and hatred, and barbaric capital punishment are all explicitly allowed and encouraged in the islamic scriptures.

so the same as every other abrahamic religion?

[-] caboose2006@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago

Sounds like Christianity to me! Judging by the bible that I read 4 times. Literally my second most read book.

[-] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago

I find it very frustrating how islam, and only islam, gets excused for all the shit it has. There will always be someone rushing in to defend it with type of pointless nonsense. islam is bad on its own merits, you don't need to defend on meaningless generalizations. Just because other religions have their own shitty verses that does NOT excuse, justify, or negate what's in islam. People can and should criticize it on its own for what it is.

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[-] oatscoop@midwest.social 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I agree with you and would expand that to cover most major religions, particularly the abrahamic ones.

I also think bigotry is evil because it's blind hatred of anyone belonging to a group. There are decent enough people that are Muslims, Christians, and Jews. Admittedly most don't closely follow their religion (particularly the fucked up parts) -- but they still identify as such.

There's a difference between attacking a belief system and attacking huge, diverse groups of people. Somehow I don't think Ultra Nuclear's intent was the former.

[-] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

The big issue that I have is that muslims and Western leftists ALWAYS try to conflate criticism of islam with bigotry against muslims no matter how wrong that is. It doesn't matter to them how valid, well thought, and factual criticism is, the label of bigotry is more often than not used as tool to censor criticism of islam rather than call out genuine bigotry. I already have people replying to me doing exactly this.

I also find it annoying just how far leftist in the West are willing to deepthroat the boot of islam, even it explicitly against them and everything they stand for. They can't resist but defend it for whatever reason, and if they don't defend it, then try to downplay it by trying to bring in other religions into the conversation. You're not allowed to criticize islam on it own by its own merits, you will ALWAYS get people that try to whatabout with Christainity and Judaism, as if that changes anything about islam. Other religions have their shitty elements and those should be discussed under posts about them, but when we have posts about islam, we need to criticize it, by itself, for what it is.

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[-] caboose2006@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago

I didn't realise Muslims were responding to shit like this with "we're not vampires with garlic idiot." But I like it.

[-] HazardousBanjo@lemmy.world 55 points 4 days ago

Its always jarring to see bigots disgrace just the Quran and Islam.

I'd argue fundamentalist Christians and Christian Zionists follow a nearly identical ideology and commit nearly identical atrocities as any radical Islamic Jihadist.

[-] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 16 points 4 days ago

Tbf the problem was always race rather than religion.

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[-] Reginald_T_Biter@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I've always said both Christianity and Islam are my enemy. Both science denying, sexist, power hungry institutions with a penchant for fucking kids. The only difference, in the West, is that Christianity was made to bend the knee a long time ago. I think Islam still needs that lesson.

Regardless, fuck them both. Sky daddy worshipping death cults.

[-] HazardousBanjo@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago

The only difference, in the West, is that Christianity was made to bend the knee a long time ago

My dude, are you seeing what's happening in the US? What types of people are most passionately supporting Israel?

Shit, are you seeing the rampant rise of the far right accross Europe and Australia and some of their biggest backers?

That shit ain't happening because of Muslims. The Christian Jihadists are back and are making serious gains.

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[-] Saffire@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 days ago

Well Islam is an offshoot of Christianity, so it makes sense that they're basically the same thing.

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[-] F_State@midwest.social 85 points 4 days ago

Burning a Quran because you hate Muslims is bigoted but burning a Quran (or any holy text) because the priestly class is how the ruling class maintains control over the working class in almost every society and religion is tool of oppression is a chad move.

The bacon thing is a dead giveaway that this is bigotry.

[-] theolodis@feddit.org 24 points 4 days ago

And burning a Qur'an because it's old and you need to dispose of it is just the way Muslims use to do it.

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[-] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 78 points 4 days ago

I don’t know who this woman is but I love her. Calmly disassembling this douchnozzle’s attempt at desecration.

[-] SaraTonin@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago

I’m reminded of a case here in the UK a few years back where bigots left something like 200 bacon sandwiches on the doorstep of a mosque. The next day the mosque released a statement to the press thanking the unknown people for their kind donation and that the local non-Muslim homeless population had very much appreciated the sandwiches that the people at the mosque had distributed to them.

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[-] Peruvian_Skies@sh.itjust.works 89 points 4 days ago

Wait, is it true that you have to burn a Quran if you're going to dispose of it? I'd like to know the reasoning behind that, I bet it's interesting. Or is she just trolling the troll?

[-] snooggums@piefed.world 148 points 4 days ago

The US flag code requires burning. Cremation is a thing. Burning is a respectful way to dispose of things in a lot of cultures.

[-] Taldan@lemmy.world 59 points 4 days ago

Burial is also considered acceptable, AFAIK

Flag is a pretty good comparison. Burning is the recommended disposal method, but people want to ban it and/or get very upset when it's burned

[-] OfCourseNot@fedia.io 36 points 4 days ago

In my country (eu) it's illegal to burn the national flag. It's also illegal to burn a picture of the king (offence to the crown), and making a post like this but with a bible would be considered 'offence to the religious sentiments' (this is only for catholics, the feelings of other believers be damned).

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[-] ghostlychonk@lemmy.world 52 points 4 days ago

It does strike me as being more respectful than just tossing it in the garbage.

[-] chocrates@piefed.world 41 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

They used to reuse books too, so it prevents someone from coming along and covering up the word of God with homicidal rabbits

[-] unconsequential@slrpnk.net 38 points 4 days ago

Burial, a body of running water or burning appear to be the proper ways of disposal of a damaged or old Quran.

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[-] minorkeys@lemmy.world 44 points 4 days ago

Lol the best part is that she forces them to learn something.

[-] betanumerus@lemmy.ca 14 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

What's amazing is that people have time to mind other people's business.

[-] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 50 points 4 days ago

People get really upset about burning it as a form of desecration

In Islamic law, believers must not damage the Quran and must perform a ritual washing before touching it.[1] Conversely, intentional damage to copies is considered blasphemous in Islam. It is a point of controversy whether non-Muslims should be made to follow Islamic law,[2] and a sensitive topic in international relations how it should be handled when Muslims demand adherence to Islamic Quranic practices by nonbelievers

In 2010, Christian pastor Terry Jones of the Dove World Outreach Center, a church in Gainesville, Florida, provoked condemnation from Muslims after announcing plans to burn a Quran on the anniversary of the September 11 attacks on the United States.[15] He later cancelled the plans;[16] however, on March 20, 2011, he oversaw the burning of a Quran. In response, Muslims in Afghanistan rioted and 12 people were killed.[17]

On March 19, 2015, Farkhunda Malikzada, a 27-year-old Afghan woman, was publicly beaten and killed by a mob of hundreds of people in Kabul.[23][24] Farkhunda had previously been arguing with a mullah named Zainuddin, in front of a mosque where she worked as a religious teacher,[25] about his practice of selling charms at the Shah-Do Shamshira Mosque, the Shrine of the King of Two Swords,[26] a religious shrine in Kabul.[27] During this argument, Zainuddin reportedly falsely accused her of burning the Quran. Police investigations revealed that she had not burned anything.[25] A number of prominent public officials turned to Facebook immediately after the death to endorse the murder.[28] After it was revealed that she did not burn the Quran, the public reaction in Afghanistan turned to shock and anger.[29][30] Her murder led to 49 arrests

Since 2020, the Danish party Stram Kurs and the party leader Rasmus Paludan have planned or orchestrated Quran burnings in multiple Swedish cities. This has resulted in numerous riots in Swedish cities against both planned and realized desecrations, notably the 2020 Sweden riots and 2022 Sweden riots

On June 28, 2023, Salwan Momika, an Iraqi immigrant living in Sweden burned a copy of the Quran and played football with the copy, outside Stockholm's central mosque. The Swedish police had granted a permit for the demonstration, after a Swedish court ruling that allowed it on the grounds of freedom of expression. The incident led to international protests.

However, he was assassinated the day before the verdicts was due to be released, possibly due to his Quran burning activities

On July 20, 2023, hundreds of protesters stormed the Swedish embassy in Baghdad in response to a planned Quran burning in Stockholm, prompting Iraqi authorities to expel the Swedish ambassador and recall their chargé d'affaires.

On 13 February 2025 Hamit Coşkun was attacked by Moussa Kadri with a knife for burning the Quran outside the Turkish consulate in London.

In March 2013, the al-Qaeda English-language magazine Inspire published a poster stating "Wanted dead or alive for crimes against Islam" with a prominent image of Terry Jones, known for public Quran burning events.[65] Iran's news agency, IRIB, reported on April 8, 2013, that Terry Jones planned another Quran burning event on September 11, 2013. On April 11, IRIB published statements from an Iranian MP who said the West must stop the event and warned that "the blasphemous move will spark an uncontrollable wave of outrage among over 1.6 billion people across the globe who follow Islam." In Pakistan, protesters set the American flag and effigy of the US pastor Terry Jones on fire, condemning the 9/11 plan, according to an April 14, 2013 article in The Nation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quran_desecration

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[-] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 31 points 4 days ago

Bigots are cringe

Religion is also cringe

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[-] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 20 points 4 days ago

Ngl I am a muslim and was thaught it's valid form of disposing Quran but I still would find it immoral to burn books due to context of Nazis.

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[-] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 25 points 4 days ago

Eh, all religion is just cancer.

[-] titanicx@lemmy.zip 28 points 4 days ago

It is, but the manner in which this woman destroyed this douche was art.

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