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[-] FizzyOrange@programming.dev 28 points 2 months ago

This video confuses at least three different concepts - quantum uncertainty, ternary computers, and "unknown" values.

Ternary computers are just not as good as binary computers. The way silicon works, it's always going to be much much slower.

"Unknown" values can be useful - they are common in SystemVerilog for example. But you rarely just have true, false and unknown, so it makes zero sense to bake that into the hardware. Verilog has 4 values - true, false, unknown and disconnected. VHDL has something like 9!

And even then the "unknown" isn't as great as you might think. It's basically poor-man's symbolic execution and is unable to cope with things like let foo = some_unknown_value ? true : true. Yes that does happen and you won't like the "solution".

High level programming concepts like option will always map more cleanly onto binary numbers.

Overall, very confused video that is trying to make it sound like there's some secret forgotten architecture or alternative history when there definitely isn't.

[-] ruffsl@programming.dev 5 points 2 months ago

I top linked the most recently published video mostly for the introductory breakdown in ternary logic equivalence, but the interview with the ternary researcher, Dr Bos, also linked in the description above includes a number of corrections and accurate description of the subject.

Yeah, definitely not a lost art or anything, as physical ternary signals already have applications in communication like high data rate interfaces. Still, would be interesting to see ternary expand into logic domains with emerging developments in TCMOS research.

[-] Lembot_0004@discuss.online 18 points 2 months ago

We had 3-based computers. They failed even in the times when voltage was huge: no way you can add an additional signal level with current tiny voltages. Too many errors would be while detecting the value of the bit.

[-] ruffsl@programming.dev 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

This is discussed around the 27 min mark of the video with Dr. Steven Bos, particularly in maintaining voltage thresholds for signal propagation when using multiple devices, in context of logic, memory, and communication use cases. Interestingly, for example, GDDR7 and USB 4.2 already use physical ternary signals.

Edit: signal to noise ratio is also discussed at the 40min mark, also with respect to increasing information density vs complexity from higher symbol bandwidth, or terms of radix vs frequency.

[-] FizzyOrange@programming.dev 8 points 2 months ago

They use QAM and similar because it's the best way to transmit data over a small number of long wires. Exactly the opposite of wires inside a CPU.

[-] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 months ago

There are a lot of videos on this renaissance. Maybe an advance in electronics will make it worthwhile in hardware.

One area ternary is investigated is LLMs/classification. Bitnet was the pioneer model..

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