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submitted 5 months ago by pie@piefed.social to c/linux@lemmy.ml

As per fsf only those linux distributions are 100% free:

Dragora
Dyne
Guix
Hyperbola
Parabola
PureOS
Trisquel
Ututo
libreCMC
ProteanOS

Do you agree or no?

I see a lot of people that want to switch from windows to a linux distro or a open os. But from what i see they tend to migrate to another black boxed/closed os.

What is a trully free os that doesnt included any closed code/binary blobs/closed drivers etc.

Just 100% free open code, no traps.

What are the options and what should one go with if they want fully free os that rejects any closed code?

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[-] Sinfaen@beehaw.org 2 points 5 months ago

Hard disagree. Only people that are already in linux-land should even think or talk about this, and only after they're aware of what they depend on and whether they can even do that in the first place.

Main reason: biggest thing holding Linux back is user-base. The more users there are, the more that companies will actually care about supporting the OS. In the meantime, newbies to Linux need an OS that is as hassle free as possible that supports what they need. Windows and macOS have their downsides, but you can't disagree that they work out of the box. You only get a few chances to get someone to even think about switching ecosystems, and going to a straight free distro is another huge hurdle on top of that. Most closed source applications only get tested on debian/rhel based distros anyway, I wouldn't be able to do my my day job on a distro outside of that without some serious headache.

There are many closed source components that don't have equivalent open source alternatives, and features are a thing that will snag many people. Most people aren't technical.

[-] pmk@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 5 months ago

Iirc, the list is of operating systems that the FSF recommends. You could have a system running 100% free software, but the FSF won't recommend it if the distro makes it easy to theoretically install proprietary code. It's fine to run such a system, but the FSF won't recommend it.

[-] jaypatelani@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago
[-] FuckBigTech347@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 5 months ago

Literally one of the first things OpenBSD does when you first boot it is automatically install firmware blobs via: https://man.openbsd.org/fw_update

[-] mactan@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago

suckless sucks. it's an interesting science experiment but no normal person would ever find software from that realm of thought useful

[-] ace_garp@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

Trisquel is an Ubuntu base, with all non-free and binary-blobs removed.

Any spyware, data harvesting, tracking, advertising, or hidden code has been removed.

This also means some hardware will not work under Trisquel, because that hardware relied on drivers which were a blob of unreadable code.

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I think everyone running Linux should try an FSF endorsed distro, and have it as a general goal to move towards over time. The easy way, is to try it first on a LiveUSB or in a VM.

To really see these distros shine, they need to be used on hardware that has open-drivers available.

To find functional open-hardware, you can use the same hardware models that various online, libre, hardware-retailers are using, such as:

minifree.org

vikings.net

thinkpenguin.com

Or trawl through h-node.org to decipher what may work.

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A second 100% libre laptop or box is a good idea for sensitive or personal content.

[-] LeFantome@programming.dev 1 points 5 months ago

Debain and Fedora are 100% free software operating systems.

Point at a single package in either one that is proprietary software.

Driver firmware does not count. Why? Because that is hardware. The hardware is proprietary regardless and there is proprietary firmware in my hardware regardless of what my OS does.

None of the operating systems listed run on “free” hardware, so arguing about how free the non-free hardware is is meaningless.

Calling Debian and Fedora “closed source” or “black box” because they distribute firmware is madness. Hardware that cannot be updated at all is less “black box”? If that is your view, your opinions hold no weight with me at all.

[-] pie@piefed.social -1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

driver firmware does not count?
ofc it does.
it is just your opinion and it holds also no weight with me too

[-] LeFantome@programming.dev 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Why does the proprietary firmware in your hardware only suck if it can be upgraded?

You are quite happy running hardware that uses proprietary firmware as long as it does not show it to you. But if it shows it to you then it has to be free software?

I am not saying free software would not be better. Clearly it would be. But saying that not showing the firmware to you is better than showing it to you makes no sense. Please try to make a good argument for why it is ok as long as you don't see it?

Given that you are willing to run proprietary firmware, why are you not willing to run proprietary firmware that can be upgraded? Got an argument for that makes your "ofc it does" even a little bit valid?

Or are you running on 100% "free" hardware? Because that is for sure not anything based on AMD or Intel and for sure not using any GPU or network card that I have ever heard of.

RISC-V is fighting the good fight. But even there the actual hardware being used today is proprietary, including of course the firmware (accessible or not). And I doubt you are running RISC-V anyway.

[-] Horse@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 5 months ago

no, i like my computer to work

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