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Despite the US’s economic success, income inequality remains breathtaking. But this is no glitch – it’s the system

The Chinese did rather well in the age of globalization. In 1990, 943 million people there lived on less than $3 a day measured in 2021 dollars – 83% of the population, according to the World Bank. By 2019, the number was brought down to zero. Unfortunately, the United States was not as successful. More than 4 million Americans – 1.25% of the population – must make ends meet with less than $3 a day, more than three times as many as 35 years ago.

The data is not super consistent with the narrative of the US’s inexorable success. Sure, American productivity has zoomed ahead of that of its European peers. Only a handful of countries manage to produce more stuff per hour of work. And artificial intelligence now promises to put the United States that much further ahead.

This is not to congratulate China for its authoritarian government, for its repression of minorities or for the iron fist it deploys against any form of dissent. But it merits pondering how this undemocratic government could successfully slash its poverty rate when the richest and oldest democracy in the world wouldn’t.

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[-] huppakee@piefed.social 7 points 2 months ago

Last paragraph basically says it all:

This is not to congratulate China for its authoritarian government, for its repression of minorities or for the iron fist it deploys against any form of dissent. But it merits pondering how this undemocratic government could successfully slash its poverty rate when the richest and oldest democracy in the world wouldn’t.

[-] evenglow@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

China's new 5 year plan says it all too. So does all their previous 5 year plans too. Publicly available too.

In USA affordable EVs from China are illegal. Other affordable green tech from China is made unaffordable.

Maybe it's not the government that is the problem. Maybe the problem is the people in charge of running the government. And those people's plan.

Project 2025 is public too. That's USA's plan or at least the Republicans plan.

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[-] SlartyBartFast@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago

I like how fast they build infrastructure. I'm still waiting on a subway that was planned to be built 40 years ago

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[-] MangioneDontMiss@feddit.nl 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

At this point, Chinas goverment may be no more authoritarian than the US government. And China has a lot more social welfare programs than the US. Honestly, when I was in China i felt substantially more free than I did in the US. Far less policed. Far less restricted. Maybe that jsut my experience, but the feeling was real.

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[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

This is not to congratulate China for its authoritarian government

Dizzying to see what constitutes "authoritarian" in Evil Foreign Country relative to what is "sensible national security policy" at home.

Almost feels like the complaint isn't with the policies themselves, but who authors and enforces them.

[-] clot27@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 months ago

authoritarian when you refuse to sell out to world bank and IMF and refuse to give up your resources for foreign corporations to exploit.

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[-] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 months ago

Eh...

I'm glad my homeland is doing a lot better these days, but still, for my family, we end up doing better in the US (we moved around 2010 for context, way before this admin), the first few years in the US was a struggle, the similar stuggle as before in Guangzhou, but eventually we have a house and then we started saving up and we have a small bussiness and some investments here in the US. So it really depends on personal circumstances...

In China, everyone has an ancestral house, but that is in your village; in the city, unless you are from the city, you probably won't have housing. Jobs were in cities, so people migrate there, migrant workers... most of them have to rent a small apartment unit, probably in some slum. There are handweitten "for rent" posters everywhere. My family didn't have to rent, they "bought" an apartment in Guangzhou (bought in quotes because the 70 year lease thing... which we still don't know how it works... 70 years have not passed), its a very shitty one, in a slum neighborhood, but that was all they could afford. Most had to rent.

Prior to the Opening Up and Reforms, people weren't allowed to move around, so you'd just get stuck on your farm... and farming manually... which really sucks.

After the Opening Up and Reforms, the relaxed the restriction on movements. But the Hukou still had restrictions.

I was born in Guangzhou, but wasn't allowed into their public schools, no Guangzhou Hukou, my hukou was Taishan, my mom had to pay for a privately-run one that she said was inferior to the public school. Some migrant workers just left their kids beind in their village to attend school there. So those kids rarely get to see their parents. I did see them because I was going to school in Guangzhou so we didn't really get separated like those kids did, but usually we didn't get to see out parents for most of the day, so either grandmother was home to watch me and my brother, or sometimes we just get left at home alone.

I think most of the kids in that school I went to were all kida of migrant parents... because a Guangzhou kids would just go to public school.

Someone with Taishan Hukou also can't like get any healthcare benefits of Guangzhou.

It's like a internal passport system. Countries withing countries...

Then there was another issue with me essentially being an "illegal child" since my mother violated the 1 child policy, as I was the 2nd to be born, so my parents had to pay a huge fine before I can even get registered in Hukou and legally exist and have identity documents.

Converting to Guangzhou Hukou was practically impossible. Somehow, getting US citizenship was easier... 🤷‍♂️

Maybe one day this stupid Hukou thing goes away, because it is stupid af.

[-] bystander@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 months ago

Believe it or not, there are plans to "overhaul" the Hukou system.

https://thediplomat.com/2024/08/china-unveils-ambitious-5-year-plan-to-overhaul-the-hukou-system/

Recently I think they make it so couples can register their marriage in any jurisdiction. And not have to go to one of the couple's birth town.

https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202505/1333785.shtml

I couldn't fully understand whether or not their children's Hukou will now be in the location of their marriage registration. But it's a good step forward and they saw a brief spike in marriage registration overall.

It's so weird that they've been so stubborn about it for so long, even as their cities expand to accommodate migrants and the population growth is slowed.

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[-] Fandangalo@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Excuse me, have you heard of the K shaped economy? It’s the everyday hellscape we now live in, where the rich can’t buy enough, and the poor can’t buy anything. Plane ticket sales down, first & business class have no inventory. Less people than ever can afford a house, and mega mansion sales are booming. We can’t afford groceries, but 5* restaurants have no reservations.

At some point, this shit comes to ahead. My pessimism suggests the rich want to figure out AI / robot security, so they can stop relying on any people at all.

Oh yeah, add in some sycophantic computers telling everyone they are perfect and every solution we have is paradigm breaking or revolutionary. Nothing will go wrong at all.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

My pessimism suggests the rich want to figure out AI / robot security, so they can stop relying on any people at all.

Look at the plans to tech-ify Gaza. This is exactly what is planned

[-] Fandangalo@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

I’m not a big Revelation person, but it does seem like we really like to fight over that area. A bunch of billionaires? In one place? Being secured by robots with guns? Nothing can go wrong there either.

[-] ruekk@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Not surprised at all. American has done a fantastic job at propagandizing the populace against China.

[-] NatakuNox@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

Does China have major issues? Yes. Does China care more about its own sucess as a whole? Also yes. America invested in individuals, Chain invested in their people. This is the natural outcome.

[-] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 2 points 2 months ago

Those individuals being exxon, Raytheon, and for-profit prison companies.

[-] tornavish@lemmy.cafe 2 points 2 months ago

They have also put millions into poverty.

[-] AA5B@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

when the richest and oldest democracy in the world wouldn’t.

I like that it uses “wouldn’t” rather than”couldn’t”. So relevant to today’s politics

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