a group called Youth for Climate was doing direct action in paris - occupying empty buildings near Place Sainte-Marthe to protest gentrification and airbnb bullshit. pretty standard stuff. they used a protonmail address to coordinate french cops wanted to know who was behind the email. proton is swiss so france couldnt just demand it. so they went thru europol, who asked swiss authorities, who then issued a court order to proton heres the part that matters: proton wasnt already logging this persons IP. the swiss court ordered them to start logging it. proton complied, collected the IP going forward, and handed it over. activist got arrested. charges were trespassing, theft, property damage protons response was basically “we had no choice, swiss law, we support activists but cant break the law for you.” they also quietly edited their website - it used to say “we do not keep any IP logs which can be linked to your anonymous email account.” now it doesnt say that the CEO said they didnt even know it was about climate activists when they got the order. which… okay? thats not really the defense you think it is my guy the takeaway: • proton can be legally compelled to start logging you specifically • swiss “privacy” folds when another country wants you bad enough • encrytpion doesnt protect metadata • if your doing anything that might piss off a state, use tor. proton even says this themselvs now

Nobody is your friend... but at least proton isnt logging your data and selling ads into your inbox.... that's good enough for me...

Check your threat model... 90% of people arent doing direct action that needs protection from nation states.... and proton isnt big enough to protect you from nation states. (pretty sure they tell you that they have to comply with legal, swiss laws)

Stop trying to scare people into going back to gmail.... there will always be flaws in proton/tuta/whatever mail service....

Go try running your own email if you truly need perfect privacy and anonymity

No email service can refuse to obey the law. None.

Proton is at least non-profit now.

I comment this on many of their LinkedIn posts. I think they've blocked me at this point

I'm actually pretty excited to have another product to try to motivate friends and family to leave Google behind. Maybe this will do it.

I’ve managed entirely on Google Sheets for years now. And I was a really big fan of Excel. It was never viable for me to rely on Windows to be everywhere I need to be, and the functionality gap closed steadily over the years to the point where the benefits of it being on the web now overwhelm the feature gap. Being free helps too, especially as Excel has gone through various pricing and bundling contortions over the years. Someone might tell me here that it’s now completely free but can I really be blamed for tuning out Microsoft years ago?

Or searchable email bodies...on my phone. Which is where I'd need it most.

I used to think they would Excel.

Wait, you can access it via IMAP?

Why would someone use Fastmail when there’s protonmail?

90% of users probably just need a glorified table with SUM

There's also Collabora Office

They bought Standard Notes, so it's Protons notes now, in some sense