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[-] hamid@crazypeople.online 5 points 4 months ago

And people say there is never white on white crime LOL

[-] MyMindIsLikeAnOcean@piefed.world 4 points 4 months ago

This “meme” pretends to be nuanced…but it’s simple: it attempts to boil the crisis down to “America bad”.

Russia has agency. If you’re a leftist who supports Russia…and I know it’s common…you’ve completely lost the plot. You’re basically so anti American that you’ve overshot the mark and are supporting other fascists.

At risk of also oversimplifying things: Russia/Ukraine isn’t good v bad…it’s fascist capitalist v “liberal” capitalist.

[-] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 months ago

Your mind is like a puddle

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[-] zbyte64@awful.systems 1 points 4 months ago

Yes it's a proxy war. Doesn't mean you should go around "liberating" your neighbors by folding them into your own territory.

[-] MyMindIsLikeAnOcean@piefed.world 2 points 4 months ago

Sorry…I know exactly what you mean, but I’m going to nitpick over the use of the term “proxy war”. It’s not a proxy war, first because Russia is directly involved and second because the USA isn’t the only proxy. Good examples of Proxy Wars are The Spanish and Syrian Civil Wars…as well as many minor conflicts during The Cold War that were revealed to be indirectly USSR v USA

I don’t know how you feel about the war at large…but calling it a proxy war could be considered a Russia friendly narrative because it removes Ukraines agency and purpose.

In a proxy war the support is generally obfuscated, and the conflict is usually internal. In Ukraine the support is open and the conflict is an invasion.

[-] pineapple@lemmy.ml 0 points 4 months ago

Are people here pro Russia taking over Ukraine here?

[-] davel@lemmy.ml 7 points 4 months ago

Previously:

Honest question from a non-communist, based on your reply here. Does one need to support Putin to be a Marxist?

In a word, no. In a few more words, support for Russia (not Putin, as historical materialists don’t subscribe to great man theory) is only a partial, temporary, tactical one, in the context of imperialist liberation. Russia is still a capitalist state, though, so it’s a two stage strategy: first liberate colonized bourgeois states from colonizer states, and second revolution within those liberated bourgeois states.

Russia is an interesting case: it has already liberated itself from the post-Soviet “shock therapy” neocolonizers. This occurred during Putin’s administration, which is why he is especially hated by the US. So now the support for Russia is in the context of keeping the colonizers from recolonizing it, and supporting Russia to the extent that it helps other states liberate themselves. But Russia isn’t trying to “liberate” Ukraine, at least not all of Ukraine. It’s trying to resolve the genocidal attacks on the people of the Donbas, and it’s trying to resolve the imperialist military expansion at its border.

Previously:

Previously:

NATO expansion:

 
NATO in general:

[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 6 points 4 months ago
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[-] Ummdustry@sh.itjust.works -1 points 4 months ago

If only there where some way for Russia to prevent this...

[-] Rumo161@feddit.org -1 points 4 months ago

With very few exceptions this reads like bot farms fighting with themself

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