And it’s about to get a whole lot worse because corecivic is rapidly expanding and building new facilities while our corrupt politicians are making a killing insider trading on our rapidly expanding police state
But seriously fuck Stalin as well.
and fuck any homophobe that thinks he was a good leader.
and fuck any homophobe that thinks he was a good leader.
I'd ask who the fuck thinks stalin was a good leader, but tankies exist.
Not a particular fan of the USSR but 100% I wish it was the usa that disbanded in 1991. Miserable place that exports war and suffering, and it used to blugeon the proles by saying "be grateful for what you have, it's worse in the USA".
Garbage place, I visited once and it was literally stomach turning how much suffering was surrounded by so much wealth. The only places I've seen more miserable and places the USA has been colonising or bombing.
Also just because it sort of pisses me off when people have strong opinions on shit they know nothing about here is a CIA report on the gulags from 1957 https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP80T00246A032000400001-1.pdf
I think it makes for interesting reading, as even this rather adversarial document seems to indicate that the propagandised view of them is exaggerated. They do point out some nutty things, some of which were improved.
I think the idea that the USSR was some uniquely evil place is just patently false, it seems to be pretty ordinary in the evil produced, ahead of its time in some regards (e.g. women's rights, certain ethnicities inclusions, anti homeless architecture etc), and dissapointingly typical in other regards like treatment of lgbt people, mental illness, exclusion of certain ethnicities, approach to criminal rehabilitation and so on.
Two things can be bad.
nah, only US bad. soviet always good, gulag just give jobs to queer people, improve society. dogbert very smart.
This is lemmy, the only non-binaries allowed are the genders.
Worth including the percentage of the entire world population, as well. People might mistakenly assume that, because the US is a big world leader with lots of people, maybe 25% of all people live in the USA, or maybe it's like 21% and we are just slightly overrepresented in prison population. aybr it's 17%, or even 12% would make that number seem less shocking.
But it's 4.2%. We have six times more ~~slaves~~prisoners with jobs per person than the rest of the world.
No they’re slaves
The 13th amendment specifically says slavery is only abolished except as punishment for a crime
They’re legally just slaves. Getting a small and conditional pay doesn’t make them not slaves.
Hwy that's not true! Not all of them are slaves!
What about the torture prisons? Do they just not count? Rude.
The fuck you think a plantation was?
Kind of a mix of the two.
Pretty much exactly that plus a market. Prisoners held for torture are still slaves. They turn a profit for the prison as long as they're not dead. They're just funded by your tax dollars instead of private wealth.
Not if you're not extracting labor from them! I have no reason to believe black sites are directly profitable!
Unless they're run by a state entity it's extremely unlikely they'll operate at a loss.
If you're talking about the "Whoopsy doodle! #redacted :3" portion of the US military budget then yes it's possible only the tortured prisoner title applies.
I was reading an article a few months ago that one of the largest plantations is still around but is now a prison.
Edit: I remembered the name Angola
To paraphrase Tacitus, because I'm feeling fancy:
They plunder, they slaughter, and they steal: this they falsely name freedom, and where they make a wasteland, they call it peace.
It's interesting how even the Romans thought they were the good guys, while literally enslaving millions and condemning millions more to starvation.
Humans haven't changed. Great powers haven't changed. Cunts are still running the world.
America isn't particularly special. It's just more of the same.
He just killed them instead.
don't act like the US's shitty behavior isnt because they wear their crosses and white power pins and have self named and appointed themselves as the world moral police. don't do drugs or trade in non US dollars kids otherwise they will make you find jesus.
Ya got any sources on those figures?
I'm seeing that the Gulags had about 18 million people passed thru them from the 1920s to the mid 1950s, with about 1.5-1.7m died in detention. Population of Sov.Union 1920 - 136.8m, and 1950 178.5m. About 10% died in the gulags per these figures. https://www.britannica.com/place/Gulag
Currently approx. 11.5m are imprisoned world wide. And the USA has about 1,808,100 incarcerated. Thus approximately 15.7% of all incarcerated are in the USA.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/incarceration-rates-by-country
You're comparing a span of ~30 years to a point-in-time number?
Thus approximately 15.7% of all incarcerated are in the USA.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_States
It seems it peaked at around 25% in 2009, but has been declining since.
About 10% died in the gulags per these figures
How many died outside gulags in this timespan, though? The Soviet Union lost 25 million people altogether during WW2, many millions of those from hunger and disease due to horrifying conditions all over the country after the 1941 Nazi invasion. 25 million over 150mn is around 17%. Gulags themselves weren't particularly deadly, it's the whole Nazi invasion that triggered mass death
Freedom
The USSR was a fucking shit hole
Except for being too cold and the novels being too long, the united States has literally every problem it did at its worst. Many of them to a greater degree. Plus a few more it never did.
Some people liked it, some people didn't. There were winners and losers. Alot of people who lived thru it and really didn't like it at the time miss aspects of it (like Americans looking at our past with rose colored glasses) or think it was better than what Russia has become under Putin
Yeah I can find a million boomers who think they had a better life growing up too. They still lived in a shitty racist homophobic discriminatory society.
Your mom (that image)!
Soviets: “I had a perfect life!”
Americans: “your mom!”
Read the second half, dear.
I still don’t get it. Maybe I’m dumb.
Usa: Ill do it again!
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