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[-] Pacattack57@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

People don’t buy new games anymore because they often release incomplete. Why would I buy a game that is offering only 25% of its content. I’ll wait for it to be don’t and buy it at a discount in a year. Thanks

[-] BilSabab@lemmy.world 23 points 2 days ago

I kinda gave up buying new stuff because of all the editions bullshit. Complete, Deluxe, Gold, Ultimate, Season Pass, Whatever The Fuck Else Special Director's Cut - yeah, yo ho ho ho your capitalist ass straight to the fire sell.

[-] Retro_unlimited@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Same here, game on sale for $3, but then I see it had $200 in DLC to play the complete game. Major turn off.

Icarus, Conan, hit man 3, etc.

[-] BilSabab@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

hitman 3 is fucking ridiculous. it's a great game, I love it, but for the love of God just release it in one piece and kill the online mode

[-] sunbytes@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

Literally just had that same thing with Icarus while I was looking at the winter sale. I went to reviews to find the catch for the game and people were saying the base game is pretty just a big demo.

[-] vega208@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 days ago

Yeah, it dawned on me a few years ago that games are being sold in an unfinished state just so they can sell us the rest later.

If you're still naive enough to spend money on things you can be getting for free (just to make someone else richer), at least wait until what you're buying is complete.

[-] Katana314@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

I definitely see much of AAA gaming as greedy, but when I’ve dipped into it this never seemed like an accurate take. The shit they’re selling for Ultimate Editions is normally teensy and inconsequential, like a golden gun or something. They’re selling to sons of Dubai warlords that just have Fuck You money to spend. I’ve never regretted getting a standard edition, except when I buy Deluxe off an indie game where I just want to support them (For reference, Expedition 33 had a Deluxe Edition)

[-] BilSabab@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

yeah, i don't mind DLC being sold separately, especially when it's a full-fledged expansion like a good old add-on - not just an extra mission and stuff - proper 5-10 extra hours. But when you get this impossible to follow selection of options - it annoys the hell out of me and i switch to something that has only one package and doesn't require market analysis skills to figure out the best version to buy. Or just yo ho ho fuck'em all instead because that's what happens.

[-] Stupendous@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

I do buy new games even full price on rare occasion. Regardless of that, there's nothing new games do much better than old games besides graphics and that mattering declined hard once league of legends, counter strike, fortnite, minecraft, roblox, etc became people's childhood to their ongoing adulthood games. I've met people that haven't spent a dime on genshin impact while having played for 5 years

No one is missing out on the best 2025 games if they're playing the best games of 2015. Time is finite and if it's filled with good, what difference does it make if it's new or old. You're not missing out if you're playing the best games of 2000-2014 in 2025.

I follow emulation on Android communities and people love playing the greatest hits of the PS2, Gamecube, DS, 3DS, PSP, Vita and it seems to mostly be teenagers. And now we're getting good PC emulation support and PS3 and X360 support is progressing. Switch on Android emulation is pretty good now. Android, Steam Machine, Steam Deck, Steam Frame, Legion Go, Rog Ally, GPD Win, Ayaneo. Even Switch 2. The relatively low power gaming scene is growing and that bodes well for "classic/retro/oldies" gaming.

It's been 12 years since the PS4 launched. Early PS4 games don't play much different than 2025 games. The classics oldie radio station of games are soon going to be very modern. 2007 Bioshock era games are already very modern and look pretty good too

[-] vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 28 points 2 days ago

I have a gtx 1080. 2025 games are mostly written in unreal 5. Unreal 5 is designed such that not even the highest end gpus can actually run it without framegen. And now also with mandatory raytracing.

Older games still work, and they look and run better for me.

[-] BilSabab@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

And most U5 games look kinda the same

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[-] Janx@piefed.social 9 points 1 day ago

According to Metacritic, there were only eight 9/10 or better games this year. Or two, if you ignore remakes, remasters, and sequels. Maybe the issue is a drop in quality this year...?

https://www.metacritic.com/browse/game/all/all/current-year/

[-] jaykrown@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago

The gaming industry for new games being released is brutal. The competition is sky high, and all you need to think about are games like Stardew Valley or Skyrim. There are so many options to choose from, a new young gamer has barely any reason to pay full price for any new games. We are entering the "Please play out game! It's free!" phase, and still no one will spend the time. Time and attention are the most valuable thing.

[-] AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

"PAY attention" "How do you like to SPEND your time"

Those phrases don't prove much but if more people viewed their time and attention as commodities.. idk.. they might chose to "invest" them in other things.

[-] psoul@lemmy.world 24 points 2 days ago

My method of patient gaming is to only buy games that are $10 or less

Just got subnautica, hades 1, disco Elysium, oxygen not included, hollow knight (I’m sad to learn I don’t like platformers that much…), kerbal space program.

Shit, I have so much to play for the next 5 years just there.

Factorio and Hades 2 were my exceptions, got them full price.

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[-] Leomas@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

There were a lot of great fucking indie games released this year, from the comments a bunch of people here have missed some great indie games.

[-] deus@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

Hades II, Silksong, Blue Prince, Ball x Pit, Mandragora, Pipistrello and the Cursed Yoyo, Citizen Sleeper 2, Dispatch, Absolum, Megabonk, Constance, Wheel World, Cloverpit, that's only a fraction of this year's releases and I'm not even counting the more ambitious titles like The Alters and Expedition 33. Indie fans have been eating good for sure.

[-] Leomas@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

From the list I only own Silksong, Megabonk, and Expedition 33, I know about, but do not own and have not played Hades II, but I would still have a bunch of 2025 indie games I really liked. (The Wandering Village is an example from the country I live in even).

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[-] minorkeys@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

If they already made all the games we ever need, would they start taking them away just so we have to buy new ones, instead? This is the future of steam when Gabe dies.

[-] LORDSMEGMA@sh.itjust.works 45 points 2 days ago

Makes sense, most games were released before 2025

[-] imetators@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 2 days ago

Which probably only proves that Steam Machines is going to be more than enough for everyone.

[-] filister@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

It doesn't help also that new GPUs and now even disk drives and RAMs are ridiculously expensive.

I am sure the end goal of corpos is to turn this into another subscription service.

[-] InfiniteStruggle@sh.itjust.works 100 points 3 days ago

Next year it is going to be even lower with how prices are going. Upgrades are just not feasible anymore.

[-] ms_lane@lemmy.world 28 points 3 days ago

Glad I got a 9070XT just before everything went bust. I'll be sticking with DDR4 for a few years though.

[-] HouseWolf@pawb.social 27 points 3 days ago

I'm using 32GB of Corsair DDR4 I got back in 2016. Think I can safely say I got my moneys worth already and still intend to ride it into 2030 at this rate.

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[-] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 33 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

New games are expensive and the all those UE5 games run like crap, cause I can't afford high end hardware either. Of course I'll just play old games.
And thanks to AI hardware is getting even more expensive.

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[-] mcforest@feddit.org 61 points 3 days ago

Like a true patient gamer I didn't play a single game from 2025.

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[-] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 27 points 3 days ago

Fascinatingly, this number can't even include Fortnite, since it's not on Steam, and has got to be the elephant in the room in terms of play time going to older games. But that is something to keep in mind when you see stats like this. It's not all "New releases failing." A lot of it is "Games have a much longer lifespan now."

Numbers wise, my top 3 were Helldivers 2, Warframe, and Vampire Survivors, all of which continued to receive content updates throughout 2025. These aren't old games sitting on a shelf gathering dust that I went and unearthed. They're in their prime. Warframe released a huge update specifically to coincide with the Game Awards, with a trailer featuring Werner Herzog. They've never been a bigger deal. Helldivers had their single biggest in-game event this year. I've also been spending a lot of time with Rogue Trader (just got a big patch) and Dark Tide (got two new classes and a lot of new maps added this year). Ready or Not and Insurgency also got content updates this year.

So, yeah, peeling people away from an existing title is a much slower process now. Games no longer land like a meteor. The real successes creep up.

This is not to say that there hasn't been an absolute dearth of worthwhile content from the big studios. You'll notice that every single thing I listed there is, by at least some definition, an indie game. Helldivers 2 has a big publisher in Sony, but Arrowhead were hardly a major or well known developer. Other than that, it's all outside of the traditional publisher system. And that's frankly a good and healthy thing. We're seeing guys like Larian and Sandfall, Arrowhead, DE, Owlcat, Fat Shark, NetEase, Team Cherry, Super Giant, all just absolutely crushing it, and that's genuinely fantastic news for the medium.

It's weird how people look at the failures of Ubisoft and EA and act like this is a bad time to be a gamer. This is one of the best times there's ever been to be a gamer. The medium hasn't been this healthy since the glory days of the mid-nineties, and I say that as one of the old farts who grew up in those glory days. Sandfall made Clair Obscur with a team of 60, and it's incredible. Owlcat made Rogue Trader for basically nothing in a shed and it's one of the best RPGs you'll ever play. Vampire Survivors had a budget of like three french fries and some pocket lint and it's one of the most addictive gaming experiences ever. Balatro was like one guy and it absolutely blew up the world. The fact that we're getting games this fucking good from outside of the big name publishers is genuinely amazing. I remember the mid 2000s when indie gaming was dead in a ditch, PC gaming was just nothing but console ports, and the only stuff we got was the endless drivel the major publishers shovelled out. Yeah, there were good releases sprinkled in there, but for the most part creativity and imagination were absolutely dead. Now we get stuff like Valheim, Stardew Valley, Project Zomboid, Space Marine 2, Cyberpunk 2077, Lethal Company, Among Us, Speed Freeks, Hardspace: Shipbreaker, Escape from Tarkov, Shadows of Doubt, Hades 2, Forever Winter... And yeah, some of that stuff is janky or buggy or messy, but it's inventive and cool and slick and all of it is coming from outside of the big names.

[-] kepix@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

at least the legal playtime that is

[-] BilSabab@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

nope, sir, this is piracy-free space. piracy don't exist. it's bogus.

[-] southernbrewer@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

Haven't played a single game from 2025. I don't even think I saw any that caught my eye tbh.

Oh no i lie - World of goo 2 is definitely on my wishlist. Maybe next year though, I'm still busy with Satisfactory at the moment

[-] sunbytes@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

Oh wow Satisfactory is from last year??!

Time flies when you're building manifolds, I guess.

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[-] FinjaminPoach@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Fourteen percent seems huge though, considering video games have technically been a thing since, what, the 70s or 50s.

[-] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Outside of a few notable exceptions, older games are ironically more novel and have more interesting gameplay.

And practically no one can actually afford the super duper premium Nvidia prices required to make an unoptimized UE5 engine game actually run well.

... Half of the gaming market in general is gacha games on mobile phones.

Most permaonline 'hardcore' gamers, people you see on game related discussion forums, as well as industry marketing execs, and yes, both pay for play gaming 'journalists', and most of your favorite youtube/twitch game opinion havers... they're all delusionally out of touch with the basic economic reality most gamers are in.

This is why things like Stop Killing Games are important.

Publishers know that existing games are their primary competition, thats why they want them to be unplayable.

At this point, the disparity is so extreme that I would not be surprised if GTA 6 more or less ends up being the beginning of the end of Rockstar.

People are not going to be able to pay the prices they will need to charge for their basically 'decade of investment' game that primarily serves as an MTX platform.

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[-] pinball_wizard@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 days ago

There were games released this year? Neat. I'll probably check them out. Right after another round of Tetris.

[-] caut_R@lemmy.world 15 points 3 days ago

I played like three games from this year. PEAK, MH Wilds, MK World.

The joy of playing older games is that they run well since they‘ve had years of patches and there‘s been years of faster hardware to power through most of the lack of optimization. And they‘re about a quarter the price. For running four times worse, new games also certainly don‘t look four times better.

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[-] balderdash9@lemmy.zip 14 points 3 days ago

Patient gamer chiming in. I've been playing Cyberpunk 2077 for the first time and loving it. No bugs, a great expansion, and paid $20. For single player games the backlog keeps me a few years behind and the cycle continues.

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