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[-] Gigasser@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

This seems about right. Progress was originally supposed to be 5-10 years. I'm not too sure on how effective these prototypes are. My guess is that their progress of EUV sources is quite far now, but that they'll still need to have greater progress in regards to domestically created collector & debris mitigation systems, projection optics, mask blanks and other things.

Edit Addendum: Note, article agrees with the timeline of 5 years behind for China. Since their EUV source(presumably) works differently from ASML's LPP EUV(many think China is going LDP route for EUV source), research may still go up to 10 years, as they will likely need to account for this when researching the other components in a full scanner. Alot of significant modifications or straight up new shit will have to be made. And even then, it'll need to be commerically viable to compete with the West.

[-] theneverfox@pawb.social 0 points 2 weeks ago

And even then, it'll need to be commerically viable to compete with the West.

Well, unless they invaded Taiwan...

[-] _haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

If Taiwan gets invaded they'll just blow their chip fabs, they've said as much multiple times and presumably have a plan in place to do it at a moment's notice. If that's what China is after I don't know that an invasion is going to work even if they succeed. It could deny future chip production to other countries though.

[-] theneverfox@pawb.social 0 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah, that's what I mean

Doesn't matter if China's chips are economically viable if they're the only ones making advanced chips...

[-] _haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I mean, it kinda still does, but even if they did eventually invade, it wouldn't necessarily make China the only game in town. There are already other fabrication plants going up around the globe, an invasion would definitely accelerate their development.

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[-] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca -1 points 2 weeks ago

What happens to Taiwan when China is competitive on chips?

I could see them deciding to invade, Taiwan destroys their fabs, and then China gets a monopoly but also sanctions.

The west ultimately ends up unable to build chips and China has a global monopoly.

[-] BeardedGingerWonder@feddit.uk 0 points 2 weeks ago

Have Intel and Samsung stopped making chips recently?

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[-] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world -1 points 2 weeks ago

If China invades Taiwan then that's WW3

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[-] 7isanoddnumber@sh.itjust.works -3 points 2 weeks ago

“China has reportedly built” Ok I’m gonna stop you right there. China reports it’s built a lot of stuff. It almost never actually builds anything.

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