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An anonymous neighbor wanted to control the appearance of my yard without speaking directly to me. So whoever they are, they filed a report that I have weeds and I was cited.

I wanted to understand what law was being used against me, so I looked it up. It turns out the law is in a body of statutes covering health and public safety. So my 1st thought is: that’s bizarre.. an ugly plant is a health issue?

WTF is a “weed”?

In common language most people are making a value judgment by regarding ugly plants as weeds. But the legal definition is not so subjective. It’s plants that have toxins and allergens. So things like Poison Ivy. The law names 6 or so examples but is not limited to those.

So the law is perhaps reasonably written to control health hazards, not so people can control the appearance of other people’s property. But the enforcers were either clueless about this or they were intellectually dishonest in hopes that those cited would naively create a pretty landscape for the demanding neighbor without first reading the law.

I might have been willing to do a landscape had the process of telling me the yard looks ugly not been as rude as sending cops to bully me.

A citation generally saying “you have weeds” is likely typically a false accusation. They should be writing on the citation exactly which plant specie is toxic or hazardous, just as a speeding ticket says how fast you were measured at.

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[-] aramis87@fedia.io 51 points 2 days ago

It turns out the law is in a body of statutes covering health and public safety. So my 1st thought is: that’s bizarre.. an ugly plant is a health issue?

It's been so long since many in the western world understood this but: yes. When those laws were written, overgrown lots in populated areas were a health issue. Sometimes they still are: Philadelphia specifically targets overgrown vacant lots because they provide an attractive area for rats to live, breed, and infest a neighborhood. The same thing happens with mice - and where mice go, snakes follow.

"But mice, rats and snakes are all around us!" Well, yes, they are. But we keep their numbers in check, and even the most eco-minded can change their opinions when it directly affects them: I certainly did when the two places on either side of me got foreclosed after 2008, and there was eventually an infestation of snakes, and then the snakes eventually started coming into my yard and my shed and my grill. Turns out what, while I'm okay with domesticated snakes, I'm kinda phobic about encountering them unexpectedly - like when I open the grill cover to start a barbeque and a family of snakes hiss at me.

Anyway, the problem is that, as neighborhoods with active infestations have faded into the past, people have started interpreting those laws as being more about beauty than health.

I'd start by making your overgrown area look more intentional. Keep the walkways well cleared. Put in some garden decorations and a birdbath. Maybe some bird houses, or decorative tree-hanging things. A chair and a small table on the porch or somewhere. Maybe trim bushes or small dense ground plants into nice even sides, that sort of thing - a bunch of small stuff that says "this area is intentionally wild, but it's also being regularly tended to and is under control".

[-] CluckN@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago

Good tips, we had a neighbor who had a, “Bee friendly lawn” sign. Had some overgrown grass but kept some areas neat to show intent.

[-] PriorityMotif@lemmy.world 24 points 2 days ago

You can foia request the complaint to find out who filed it.

[-] Deceptichum@quokk.au 22 points 2 days ago

Where I am, I've heard stories of people getting permission via hitting up local council environmental agencies and highlighting that you're doing it for environmental health reasons.

[-] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 22 points 2 days ago
[-] activistPnk@slrpnk.net 27 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

It’s an old story. I don’t recall exactly what happened after I pushed back. I certainly was not fined and IIRC the city got off my back because they had no case.

I eventually landscaped by choice. I don’t recall the motivation but I think it was to exploit a rebate offered by the government.

Then years later weeds (ugly plants) emerged again because the weed blocker that was under the landscape was compromised. Neighbor was on it and I got cited. I then noticed one of the plants actually was a weed (or resembled one), legally. So I had to pull them. I acted within the deadline so there was no fine. I was bummed because I really wanted to give the neighbor the middle finger.

[-] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 19 points 2 days ago

I'd have checked him for violations. I'm sure you could have found some. Beat them with their own weapons.

[-] grue@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Usually the "health and public safety" attempt at rationalization is that excessively tall grass "harbors vermin." (In other words, "creates habitat for wildlife," but spun as a bad thing.) "Weeds have toxins and allergens" seems even more grasping at straws than usual.

[-] perestroika@slrpnk.net 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

At one time, a local parish sent me an e-mail admonishing me to make hay.

I was tempted to at least insult them, but failed to bother and didn't even reply. I only mow down the plants which cause me allergy in late summer (Artemisia vulgaris).

Later, certain people got pushed out of the parish self-government and they sent me a letter that said I had a protected area for bats.

I was tempted to remind them that if I had made hay every summer, there would not be trees growing here, and bats would be elsewhere. However, knowing that the idiot who wanted everyone to make hay was already terrorizing people in another parish - I again failed to reply. :)

[-] lemmefixdat4u@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago

So are you going to fight the citation? Better have lots of pictures with botanical data on all the plants growing in your lawn. Seems the key element here is the legal definition of a prohibited weed. If you go to trial, give the officer some rope and see if he'll hang himself. Ask if he's an expert on identifying weeds. If not, how does he know your yard had weeds? Otherwise pursue his qualifications. What training is he relying on to identify weeds. Make him define a weed. If it's substantially different from your legal definition, ask whether he's aware of the legal definition. Introduce the legal definition and have him read it. Then ask if in light of his newly acquired knowledge, does he still maintain that your yard had weeds. If not, citation dismissed.

[-] activistPnk@slrpnk.net 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I gave more detail of what happened in the other post under this thread. It never went to court. IIRC, the city accepted my argument.

But indeed you are right. The court case could have gone as you suggest had it occurred. I think the gov is just bluffing and intimidating people into beautifying their landscapes.

this post was submitted on 19 Dec 2025
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