People seek confirmation that their negative traits are positive ones. Why put in effort to win, when you can just get an echo chamber to explain to you that you already won because of XYZ reason.

This isn't limited to the manosphere stuff but it certainly is a big part of it. Any group that uses that other people are full of shit though as evidence that they are the good guys is also trying to pull the same trick.

There is value in feminisim because women's rights are "new" and that is to say that there are people alive who grew up in a time where women's rights were considered a joke. Women received the ability to have their own bank account without a man co signing in 1974. That means MOST Gen X people, when they were born, their mothers were not legally allowed to have a bank account. That isn't ancient history like some folks like to act it is.

Every single line item in your comment became ammunition for foreign agents to get into our culture over the last 20 years and just escalate the FUCK out of both sides of each idea there.

It was directly from the KGB handbook written over 50 years ago, that if you infiltrate a nation's culture and just amplify the most radical takes of both sides of every issue, it will create so much chaos and completely destabilize a culture so that people tune out and stop trusting each other or any news story they read. This has the effect of making the population just default to whatever state media they see and stop caring about social issues entirely. It's been shocking seeing how effectively it's played out in the US.

I watched it happen, I was on the frontlines, managing a few social sites and moderating a huge subreddit about relationships. It was a creeping infection at first, but eventually it was like Helm's Deep, but instead of orcs outside, it was astroturfers, crybullies, sea lions, and the entire goddamn ZOO of bad-actors and subversive chuds. For every horrible, shit-mouthed incel ranting about how women need to be put in cages, there was also some delusional, insane "feminist" screaming about how all men are rapists and men should never be left alone with children.

I gave up the fight, reddit banned me for being an involved human, but it continues to this day, getting worse by the day.

We really need a way to publicly name and shame these people.

Such people represent such a minority of a minority that their opinion is entirely irrelevant.

As long as men continue to have a kneejerk reaction to the word feminism, I think it holds educational value in agitation.