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[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

This is what I don’t get about the manosphere movement.

Young guys watch these influencers being abrasive macho dorks, talking exactly like this. They somehow combine that “dorky, petty semantic minutia” argument style with being aggressively condescending and being a macho jerk, all at once. I’m a pretty isolated guy, yet it’s amazing how grating it is to me.

And men watching these influencers conclude that… other people will appreciate that?

[-] jerakor@startrek.website 3 points 4 months ago

People seek confirmation that their negative traits are positive ones. Why put in effort to win, when you can just get an echo chamber to explain to you that you already won because of XYZ reason.

This isn't limited to the manosphere stuff but it certainly is a big part of it. Any group that uses that other people are full of shit though as evidence that they are the good guys is also trying to pull the same trick.

There is value in feminisim because women's rights are "new" and that is to say that there are people alive who grew up in a time where women's rights were considered a joke. Women received the ability to have their own bank account without a man co signing in 1974. That means MOST Gen X people, when they were born, their mothers were not legally allowed to have a bank account. That isn't ancient history like some folks like to act it is.

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[-] Electricd@lemmybefree.net 10 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Ragebait art by someone who wants to seek rage from both sides. Mastered art.

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[-] MithranArkanere@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

Feminism isn't just about women.
Toxic masculinity isn't caused just by men.
Black Lives Matter isn't just about black lives.
"Believe women" isn't about blindly believing what women say. "Christian charity" is the least charitable thing in the world.
"Defund the police" and "abolish the police" aren't about eliminating police forces and letting crime run rampant.
AI is anything but intelligent.
"Global Warming" sounds tame for what's actually happening: "climate disruption" and "climate catastrophe". A bunch of countries with "communist" or "democratic" in their names are anything but.

Words are stupid. Slogans are lazy. People lie.

Which is why I like the lyrics of 'Enjoy the Silence' so much.

[-] ameancow@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Every single line item in your comment became ammunition for foreign agents to get into our culture over the last 20 years and just escalate the FUCK out of both sides of each idea there.

It was directly from the KGB handbook written over 50 years ago, that if you infiltrate a nation's culture and just amplify the most radical takes of both sides of every issue, it will create so much chaos and completely destabilize a culture so that people tune out and stop trusting each other or any news story they read. This has the effect of making the population just default to whatever state media they see and stop caring about social issues entirely. It's been shocking seeing how effectively it's played out in the US.

I watched it happen, I was on the frontlines, managing a few social sites and moderating a huge subreddit about relationships. It was a creeping infection at first, but eventually it was like Helm's Deep, but instead of orcs outside, it was astroturfers, crybullies, sea lions, and the entire goddamn ZOO of bad-actors and subversive chuds. For every horrible, shit-mouthed incel ranting about how women need to be put in cages, there was also some delusional, insane "feminist" screaming about how all men are rapists and men should never be left alone with children.

I gave up the fight, reddit banned me for being an involved human, but it continues to this day, getting worse by the day.

[-] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 4 months ago

I hate the Kremlin so much. I hope the whole russia will crumble and disappear.

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[-] Deceptichum@quokk.au 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

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We really need a way to publicly name and shame these people.

[-] zen@lemmy.zip 2 points 4 months ago

I think people like this are unable to see structural inequality. If you take away structural inequality and squint, it can almost look like women have it better than men.

Tragically, this means they are unable to mentally critique the system they exist in, and therefore will remain slaves to it.

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[-] village604@adultswim.fan 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Yeah, it's definitely not a bad thing to focus on raising women to the same level in society as men.

The problem is, like with any group, the radicals who use the movement to spread hate and tarnish the reputation of everyone involved. Religion has the same issue.

In this case, it's the ones who think equality means swapping positions of power so men are the ones who are oppressed. They give the whole movement a bad name and lead to associations like this.

Honestly, the well might be so poisoned at this point that rebranding with an umbrella term might not be a terrible choice, although it's terrible that it's not a terrible choice. It shouldn't be this way, but humans suck.

[-] Deceptichum@quokk.au 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Such people represent such a minority of a minority that their opinion is entirely irrelevant.

As long as men continue to have a kneejerk reaction to the word feminism, I think it holds educational value in agitation.

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[-] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

This is no way to argue. It's only pointing with fingers while victimizing yourself.

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[-] itkovian@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

I love this quote "Feminism in Humanism".

[-] Golden@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Hippy, politically correct, feminist, SJW, woke...

It doesn't matter how many times you rebrand ~not being an awful person~ people will always make goodness the enemy

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[-] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 4 months ago

Yup "Equalists" are just the same as all lives matter folks completely missing the point and trying to poison the well.

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