Someone smarter than me is probably gonna own me after this comment, and I know this is a comic so it can't include a ton of nuance, but if I willingly exchange/gift my property to someone else, they didn't gain it through violence (state or otherwise). Sure, the threat of violence might prevent someone else from breaking the social contract, but it isn't like the buyer did something unethical to acquire the property.
The comic, and the deeper philosophical meaning talks about a lower bound, not an upper bound (pick your own point of reference).
What is necessary to force a system against somebody else's will. A gift or exchange implies agreement and cooperation.
A person only has the rights they can hold on to.
— Kumo Crew
I feel like this quote from Elite: Dangerous sums up well, the lower bound.
In the comic, the other animals that freely decided to abide by the non-aggression principle lacked a way to ensure compliance by those, outside of the contract.
Not amassing power is a good way to prevent internal threats, but in case of external threats, which will amass power, this makes it too weak.
Unethical is a matter of prospective and degrees.
This pig is obviously a capitalist libertarian private property owner stand-in. If you exploit other people's labor by paying them a wage lower than the value of their labor, you are effectively stealing from them. Profits are theft via extortion.
You may say "they both agree to this, that's what makes it ethical". I disagree. If you are held at gunpoint, you will do what the person says, it doesn't mean it was willing. This is called being "under duress". If not working for a property owner means that you face homelessness, starvation, and police violence; your life is similarly threatened.
For sure. I'm only taking issue with the last panel's broad assertion that any gain of property is the result of violence. The landlord in this comic is an asshat.
When one individual inflicts bodily injury upon another such that death results, we call the deed manslaughter; when the assailant knew in advance that the injury would be fatal, we call his deed murder. But when society places hundreds of proletarians in such a position that they inevitably meet a too early and an unnatural death, [...] knows that these thousands of victims must perish, and yet permits these conditions to remain, its deed is murder just as surely as the deed of the single individual; disguised, malicious murder, murder against which none can defend himself, which does not seem what it is, because no man sees the murderer, because the death of the victim seems a natural one, since the offence is more one of omission than of commission. But murder it remains.
the owner abused the poor people, because he has a capital and they don't. and he will now charge them everything they have for the rest of their lives.
in wild west, people used guns to take everything from you, we live in a world where people with money convinced people without them to forgo weapons and accept money as a means to play the same game, and he used his money against them in the exact same manner as he would use the weapons. and so you can argue it is unethical in a same way as being robbed at gunpoint.
and this their power is only power because we tolerate it. this comics is about what happens when we finally stop.
I have mixed feelings about modern anarchist wolf.
On one hand, I don't agree with every idea or value that anarchists hold, but I do respect the positions broadly.
On the other hand he kinda cute.
Use imminent domain to repossess wealth
Eminent domain. As implemented in the US, the government needs to pay for something if it takes it using eminent domain, so it's not really a mechanism to move wealth around.
You'd normally use it when the value to the public of something is much higher than to the individual. Like, say someone has a piece of property that they don't want to sell, but it's blocking an interstate highway that a ton of people need to use. The value of the one piece of property is limited, but blocking the construction of the highway is a big deal; it lets the government say "you don't get to choose not to sell". The government still pays for the property.
And conveniently they get to tell YOU what its value is. Million dollar property? Nah. Not according to THEIR records. Best they can do is $37k and a huge thank you.
No governments don't get to cheap out on property values with eminent domain, it often happens that the value gets disputed and a court decides the value. And the governments often lose that battle.
Ok but why did the wolf destroy the poor pigs houses? (?)
You could even say the straw house was a metapfor for a homeless person's tent.
Nobody said the wolf was good, he’s just announced that violence can be used to claim property. That’s not exactly a good solution to wealth distribution, at best it’s a reset button, at worst it’s the path to authoritarianism.
Humanity got in general less violent throughout human history because the violent people did stupid things and got themselves killed. That's why there was less and less of them over time.
This is ridiculously wrong.
Most violence (and crime in general) between humans tends to happen due to harsh living conditions. If you're struggling to make ends meet, you take what you can however you need if you're desperate enough.
As technology has improved (and more importantly, was obtainable by more people), living conditions have also improved. Hence why crime rates go down
The wolf uses violence to take property that was owned by other animals before the capitalist pig but instead of giving it back to those other animals he only gives it to his own kind. Kind of fucked up.
I’d give to my kind as well - the working class.
We’re not here to cater to the rich pigs.
Where does the comic say the other animals are rich? Much of the american land stolen from the natives was taken with contracts.
There are two types of people in this world. Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data, and…
It’s a leftist/philosophical comic series, showing a capitalist property owning pig, and an anarchist wolf talking about seizing property from the state.
Thing is the capitalist pig takes from everyone, but the wolf only redistributes to other wolves according to the comic.
There's still concentration of wealth, just among a slightly larger group of elites.
The wolf is the working class.
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