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Everyone, including Taiwan, was happy with the status quo, till Trump and Biden (who else besides nazis and neocons) decided to stir some shit and ruin the peace and prosperity of the region... And the ml guy is the tankie and baddie... JFC... You fucking usanians have the overton window so fucked that you think socialized healthcare for all is comunism but you think respecting a UN resolution is being a tankie...
Here's an interesting question, you've been shooting thousands of kids per year because bearing arms is a right so you can deal with a tyrannical government... Where's the well regulated militia now that people are being summarily executed in the streets? Leave the SE Asia region alone and neither Taiwan or China will ever have a conflict...
Everyone, including Taiwan, was happy with the status quo
Okay? It's still the status quo. The status-quo is Taiwan de facto independence. What's your point here?
till Trump and Biden (who else besides nazis and neocons) decided to stir some shit and ruin the peace and prosperity of the region…
How did they do that?
Leave the SE Asia region alone and neither Taiwan or China will ever have a conflict…
What if specific countries want US support?
All of answers to your questions are either in the post itself or linked information...
No, they are not. At all.
I seriously think that dude’s brain is damaged.
nah, don't brush off his extremism as a mental impairment, that's unfair. He knows full well how disingenuous he's being.
But for him to think this shit makes any sense in realty shows there’s something off.
Remember when China sent their military into Hong Kong? Pepperidge Farms remembers.
Now that's a liberation!
It was a good attempt but the protestors failed and Hong Kong is occupied territory.
That's... what I said? Liberated. Like China did to Tibet. And Russia is doing to Ukraine. For what is liberty if not being forcibly subjected to the laws of a foreign government asserting that the land and populace is theirs by divine/historical/imagined right? Sure Hong Kong governed itself perfectly well before Britain unclenched their greedy imperialist hands. And sure, China agreed to let Hong Kong continue to govern itself afterwards. But when it comes down to it, those people belong to China. They needed to be liberated from the idea that they were independent. Had those protestors simply submitted to The Party, a lot of hubbub could have been avoided.
Should I lay it on thicker, or would an /s suffice? My internal Poe's Law is having a field day with this.
haha, nah, it's because we've had tankies who unironically say that stuff
At least you're aware of your shortcomings.
On the fediverse there are A LOT of tankies who unironically would call it a liberation.
yup
And US to Venezuela, Iran and soon Greenland, or Israel to Libanon, Gaza and Cisjordania... Every imperialist countries are the same, including the western side. So it's hard to give any lesson...
So it's hard to give any lesson...
Only if your stance demands that one "side" can do no wrong while the other "side" is cartoonishly evil. Otherwise the lesson is pretty simple. Don't simp for states.
Taiwan does claim to be the Republic of China, and to also own mainland China. Mainland China calls itself the People's Republic of China, and claims to own Taiwan and various other places.
Taiwan literally can't safely officially repudiate the 'one china' policy from their end because of the possibility that China would see that as declaring independence and potentially regard that as justification for military intervention. No-one in Taiwan seriously believes that it is conceivable to retake the mainland, nor any other historically old ROC territories.
Or, maybe, as they have long hoped, the US will put these children of a brutal aristocracy in 'charge' again.
How would the USA do that?
They would certainly struggle to do so but that doesn't stop the ROC wishing it would.
Their hopes probably made more geopolitical sense many decades ago.
You got any actual evidence that people in Taiwan actually wish for this in any appreciable numbers?
Who, the indigenous Taiwanese, or the cancerous ancestors of brutal monarchists from the mainland?
Sorry, are you calling all people of Han ancestry on Taiwan inherently "cancerous"?
And I am asking for evidence that a significant amount of people, the majority of citizens of Taiwan seriously desire and hope for the mass annexation of China.
Do you mean the people of Han ancestry on the island of Taiwan that claim sovereignity over parts of India, Russia, Bhutan, Pakistan, Japan, Afghanistan, Myanmar, Tajikistan; and all of Tibet, Mongolia and the People's Republic of China.
Those people that imposed forty years of martial law on the population of the Island (commonly known as the White Terror) so as to commit Politicide, executing over three thousand, imprisoning over one hundred and forty thousand, not to mention killing between eighteen and twenty eight thousand to thwart a popular uprising. Those people that after two generations of crushing repression felt secure enough, in their possession over the Island's levers of power and capacity to generate income, to allow elections.
Is it those people that you want me to speak to? Or are you trying to push this in some kind of 'All Lives Matter' direction?
Do you mean the people of Han ancestry on the island of Taiwan that claim sovereignity over parts of India, Russia, Bhutan, Pakistan, Japan, Afghanistan, Myanmar, Tajikistan; and all of Tibet, Mongolia and the People’s Republic of China.
Can I see some evidence that the majority of people of Han ancestry on Taiwan specifically, and seriously claim sovereignty over those territories and actually specifically plan and desire to launch a military assault to retake them?
In regards to Mongolia specifically, they no longer claim this.
Those people that imposed forty years of martial law on the population of the Island (commonly known as the White Terror) so as to commit Politicide, executing over three thousand, imprisoning over one hundred and forty thousand, not to mention killing between eighteen and twenty eight thousand to thwart a popular uprising. Those people that after two generations of crushing repression felt secure enough, in their possession over the Island’s levers of power and capacity to generate income, to allow elections.
Sorry, are you claiming that every single Han Taiwanese person now are guilty by blood for what their ancestors did?
Are you also claiming that every single Taiwanese person who was alive during the White Terror was inherently implicated in the actions of the regime? Do you hold the same position for Spanish people during the Franco Regime, or Chileans during the Pinochet regime? Are the current people of Spain or Chile all just "those people" in relation to their authoritarian periods?
Is it those people that you want me to speak to? Or are you trying to push this in some kind of ‘All Lives Matter’ direction?
No, I want you to provide evidence that the majority of the overall population of modern-day Taiwan specifically call for the invasion and annexation of the PRC and other territories that you mentioned.
All I'm getting so far is you being massively racist.
Yes, general knowledge. I agree that Taiwan should invade the mainland and take what is theirs.
Personally I'd say no, the government of mainland China has it's well known authoritarian tendencies, but it's still much better than a warzone or area under foreign military occupation would be, in the hypothetical case where the Taiwanese government gained the military capacity for this somehow, and Taiwan and the mainland have had decades for cultural divergence to occur, some extremely transformative decades at that, so close as they might still be, it would still be a foreign invasion for china at this point.
Based davel admitting ROC owns the mainland.
Mainland Taiwan?
That is the official stance of most of the world including Taiwan itself.
As stated: Taiwan literally can’t safely officially repudiate the ’one china’ policy from their end because of the possibility that China would see that as declaring independence and potentially regard that as justification for military intervention. No-one in Taiwan seriously believes that it is conceivable to retake the mainland, nor any other historically old ROC territories.
In terms of the rest of the world, 'one china' is expressed as a form of strategic ambiguity in reference to Taiwan.
Yes I'm aware of why everyone says the same thing officially, I'm just stating that everyone says it. Is hardly a unique thing to say.
Right, but I don't think that davel (shown in the OP) is being intellectually honest regarding the 'one china' policy and how the Taiwanese actually se it.
Perhaps, but the truth remains that both China and Taiwan have always claimed it is part of China. It's not an inaccurate thing to say. So it was a faulty argument to begin with because China was never claiming a Sovereign Nation that had never not been China according to everybody.
It was always a poor argument especially when there are far better versions of that argument to make such as their attempted stealing of territory belonging to the Philippines.
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