Speed cameras always end up devolving into a petty political football that creates more opposition and resentment than harm prevention. If you need to consider speed cameras at all, it means you definitely have an infrastructure design issue. That's where both the attention and the money should be going.
The money from these camera tickets must go to improving road safety. And the city must not decrease the amount of money they put towards road safety either.
Speed camera ticket fees should go solely to servicing the municipal bonds issued to pay for road diets, and if you're bringing in more ticket fees than you have bonds to pay then you need to issue more bonds to pay for more road diets.
You’re right about civil infrastructure, it’s a shitshow of road layout in some parts of Oakland.
However, they’ll print money with these cameras the way people drive.
What’s really interesting is that between Oakland and Berkeley, there are so many cyclists risking their lives every day
I'm ok with this, 11 is enough that is not just a oops. But speed limit signage better be prominent.
11mph is egregious (46 in a 35) number that I hope most people will find reasonable. Introducing cameras in a reasonable way like this should help with driver acceptance. Hopefully they didn’t put it at the bottom of a hill where the speed drops from 60 to 35 (ie revenue focus).
Signage is nowhere near as important as street design. The design should say 20mph by having cobblestone, narrow curving streets and tight corners.
11 mph? In the land down under 3 kph (~1.86 mph) is enough to be fined and get demerit points.
And I fucking hate it. Camera at the bottom of a hill near me in a 40kph zone and they fined me for doing 43kph.
11 mph is pretty generous, but its bad design to need something like this. If you design roads correctly traffic will need to stay under the speed limit to avoid hitting bump strips and safety barriers.
Also without a demerit system this is just restricting driving fast to rich people. Incredibly dumb social incentives.
Imagine if drivers maliciously complied and drove the minimum.
This specific community has lit me up for pointing out how shitty these scameras are to the average citizen. It's a revenue driving privacy invasion. Fuck speed cameras forever.
get a hammer on the end of a long stick
Look Doug Ford, it works, PUT OUR CAMERS BACK ASSHOLE
Or not....maybe they say you were going 11 miles an hour faster...but I successfully argued there was no way I was going exactly 11 over the speed limit, which the camera claimed. I was irritated because that was like the 4th ticket I was going EXACTLY 11 mph over. 2nd at that specific camera.
"There's no way I was going exactly 11 over, I was either speeding well over or going the limit, but no chance I was going 11 over."
What kind of an argument is this?
I didn't expect it to work by any means, I was just irritated because most of the time I was driving perfectly okay, but would get nabbed where the speed dropped 20mph for a short distance, if your mind was preoccupied it was an easy oops, damnit.
Prove it was me driving then.
They can tie it to your cell phone location data.
Tell me you didn't read the article without telling me you didn't read the article ("the cameras take pictures of a vehicle’s rear license plates")
Can you ticket a car for driving infractions? How does license plate identity the driver, not just whoever registered the vehicle?
Yes, as the car is licenced to a person, this person pays. It works probably everywhere in the world that has speedcameras.
In Australia, you can nominate someone else who was driving the vehicle after you receive ticket. But the ticket always goes to the person whose name is under the car registration.
A place to discuss problems of car centric infrastructure or how it hurts us all. Let's explore the bad world of Cars!
1. Be Civil
You may not agree on ideas, but please do not be needlessly rude or insulting to other people in this community.
2. No hate speech
Don't discriminate or disparage people on the basis of sex, gender, race, ethnicity, nationality, religion, or sexuality.
3. Don't harass people
Don't follow people you disagree with into multiple threads or into PMs to insult, disparage, or otherwise attack them. And certainly don't doxx any non-public figures.
4. Stay on topic
This community is about cars, their externalities in society, car-dependency, and solutions to these.
5. No reposts
Do not repost content that has already been posted in this community.
Moderator discretion will be used to judge reports with regard to the above rules.
In the absence of a flair system on lemmy yet, let’s try to make it easier to scan through posts by type in here by using tags: