Here's the thread: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/24345496
users from meanwhileongrad are banned from dbzer0, so you won't be able to interact (which you shouldn't be doing anyway)
This is only slightly related to MoG, considering dbzer0 is largely a tankie-apologist instance that caters a tankie bar, and the thread only allows dbzer0 users to vote. This post here can serve as a neutral space ~~where dbzer0 users can interact with Feddit users~~, and since MoG is referenced in the thread quite often.
Which alternatives to lemmy.dbzer0.com/c/piracy do y'all recommend?
db0 was my home instance for over a year. I had all the genAI stuff blocked and hardly interacted with the home instance. I popped over to quokk.au a couple weeks ago to check out PieFed. I saw the discussion post for this de-federation and honestly felt disgusted. A day or so later I started seeing c/[Country]AIPAC or similar bullshit communities popping up. I'm anti-Zionist but the rabidness was a major red flag. Quokka might not be it either, yet, but the vibe over at db0 has grown toxic.
yeah, it's really strange
Two years ago, you couldn't defend Hamas. Now you get banned if you call them terrorists.
Yeah, I scrolled through the modlogs after seeing the de-fed post and realized how far the instance had strayed from their original message. Seeing half a dozen new communities pop up concerning AIPAC funding was just weird.
Also, the "Anarchist Flotilla" seemed kinda...lame? Not necessarily the concept; a novel method of organizing around a new structure like federated social media makes sense. Implementation, however...inventing a new 'tier of membership' for quokk.au seemed odd. I dunno, maybe I just haven't 'read enough theory.'
i honestly have no clue what the anarchist flotilla is. just seems like an alternative dbzer0?
Anarchist.nexus is more or less the PieFed equivalent of db0 to my understanding. The flotilla concept was one of 'shared governance' and anarchist solidarity or something. Quokk.au was in discussions to join but wanted to maintain it's own de-fed list; IIRC Hexbear was the point of contention. An agreement was reached that admitted Quokk with certain caveats that just sounded like a hierarchy with extra steps.
I've had hexbear (and ml, and grad I think) blocked since early days and upon discovering db0 was not only federated with them but willing to gatekeep to remain so I jumped ship. I'm no anarchist nor particularly well-versed in their theory but I thought the whole point was to dismantle hierarchies? The "new membership tier" or whatever just reeked of incongruence and disingenuousness. Frankly its late and I find myself violently disinterested such that I'm unwilling to refresh my memory.
Tl;Dr c ya nerds
uhhhhh... saying death to any country or group is inherently violent and extremist.
I told them that it is not good to wish death on Israel or Palestine. Just because shitty people are in power, doesn't mean the populace has to suffer because of it. It doesn't matter which side.
that's also what i told them, but that was enough for them to consider me a zionist and ban me. for a group that larps on about how much they oppose campism they sure do use it a lot.
There is a crowd of people who will call you a zionist for anything. Yesterday someone reposted a neo Nazi and used Nazi language in their post title. Me calling them on it? Makes me a zionist, obviously.
Yeah I've had the same happen. It's very disheartening to see so many anti-zionists unknowingly repeat Nazi slogans and talking points. You point it out, you mention that 'hey, probably not a wise idea to use zio- since it's a term coined by David Duke'
and they call you the nazi. like bruh, i aint the one quoting the KKK. that's why I call them antisemitic, since if a neo-nazi was using the same arguments and excuses, I certainly wouldn't buy it.
Maybe they were just good at keeping on the mask, but it's a bit sad because I remember a year ago seeing most of db0 openly clowning on tankies whenever they showed up.
Now Unruffled seems to be pushing to make the whole instance explicitly tankie/campist.
Db0 sometimes attacks Tankies, although self-admittedly, he is soft on them. Other times, he even camps with them.
They've both told me that they prefer spending time with tankies instead of liberals, and consider liberals the bigger threat than tankies are. Which is curious considering the history of MLs and anarchists with how the MLs often betray anarchists. I believe their accusations of calling this community a nazi-bar stems from insecurity of their own spaces, where they regularly defend prominent tankies.
I've never seen unruffled attack them though.
That's the thing: tankies kill anarchists after the revolution has started. Liberals (more precisely reformists, social-democrats, middle-ground centrists) prevent the revolution from even happening.
At least with tankies there is a chance at true freedom. Which should be a thing to consider for social-democrats
what sort of revolution are we using here?
The one where the bourgeoisie doesn't rule anymore
Honestly, I'd prefer to hang out with social liberals than with tankies. Tankies are on a level with fash/nazis, monarchists and religious extremists for me.
thats what i tried to convince them, that they're better off with social liberals instead of tankies. Instantly got silenced.
They are probably just tankies disguised as anarchists then.
Some of them are. I noted before, but any anarchist who leaps to defend authoritarian states like China or Russia are not anarchists.
At least some of them are tankies disguised as anarchists. Just look at a specific someone from the lefty memes community. Constantly bringing tankie talking points, but claims to be an anarchist.
Any anarchist who leaps to defend authoritarian states is a tankie in disguise.
Yeah after looking at the history of Ukrainian anarchists I just don't understand how anyone could be a bigger threat than tankies.
All because we don't let them do as they like. Feddit is welcome to everybody who sticks to the rules. And the rules make it automatically difficult for people who follow hateful ideologies. I try my best to be fair to our community. Meanwhile certain dbzer0 users want us to ban people for simply believing Israel should exist, even if they are opposed to Netanyahu's regime and want settlers out of the West Bank.
Ridiculous, but seeing this post - good riddance. Still, what a dumb way to lose contributors to their instance.
"They comply by laws that limit obvious hate speach, which is why we should seperate us and segregate them [because we love hate speach as long as it is directed at the right people]".
dbzer0 seems like a silly place, let's not go there
I didn't take much from it, but one thing that surprised me is that they seem to think Europe is more pro Zionist than USA weirdly.
Not the governments, the people specifically.
A lot of alt accounts in the thread and I got the feeling that these three are the same person.
Since it was kinda off topic as a separate post. 
"Oh, this is calamity! Calamity! Oh no, he's on the floor!"
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