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[-] PugJesus@piefed.social 70 points 2 weeks ago

War is a waste. Eisenhower had many flaws, but he was spot-on when he said:

Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed.

This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. The cost of one modern heavy bomber is this: a modern brick school in more than 30 cities. It is two electric power plants, each serving a town of 60,000 population. It is two fine, fully equipped hospitals. It is some fifty miles of concrete pavement. We pay for a single fighter with a half-million bushels of wheat. We pay for a single destroyer with new homes that could have housed more than 8,000 people. . . . This is not a way of life at all, in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron.[1][5]

Sometimes, there's no other way to deal with fascists and imperialists. But fuck, that just means that fascists and imperialists have doubled the waste that they would've created if they'd just kept to themselves, the stupid fucks.

[-] MirrorGiraffe@piefed.social 17 points 1 week ago

And it's not only about weaponry. Every single time we have to halt progression to fight racism, capitalist policies, lgbt-phobia etc, those are calories that could've been used to remove famine, inequality, violence and turn this here globe into a fucking utopia.

[-] GraniteM@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I remember touring the museum ship USS North Carolina, and there was a plaque explaining how at this one electrical station, which was one of many on the ship, there was one certified electrician with an entire team of enlisted trainees working under him. And it struck me how many of these young men may well have never seen technology more advanced than a mule-drawn plow, and here they were in World War 2 being trained in bleeding edge technology. And then I thought about what an enormous training program WW2 was, how it taught so many young Americans useful skills that helped drive America's prosperity through the next several decades, and, gosh, wouldn't it be nice if we could commit to that kind of investment in education without having to also blow up huge numbers of people and the places where they live?!

[-] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 week ago

The only chance for all humans to unite would be if somehow aliens from outer space invaded. And even then we'd still need military. :/

[-] Einskjaldi@lemmy.world 62 points 2 weeks ago

But its used to destroy a several million dollar tank.

[-] marcos@lemmy.world 28 points 2 weeks ago

Full of people that will never see $30,000 in their lives. Fighting for people that live luxurious lives in Europe.

[-] favoredponcho@lemmy.zip 20 points 2 weeks ago

In Ukraine a $500 drone can destroy a million dollar tank these days.

[-] Bazell@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 week ago

That awkward/ironical moment when a literal flying brick of explosives can do the same damage as an advanced rocket system without costing a fortune.

[-] Einskjaldi@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Tanks have shown that they can tank hits from a drone and it usually takes between like 5 to 20 depending on where they hit. Javelins can defeat an APS and have a guaranteed kill on the first hit. If the tank is coming you benefit from taking it out before it can fire.

[-] Bazell@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 week ago

It heavily depends on the amount, type and shape of explosives caried by a drone and also where you hit the tank. Because of obviously 2-3 pounds of brick shaped explosives will not do much damage to even an inch thick steel wall. While a cumulative charge with the same weight can penetrate easily such target. Thus, you simply need a bigger drone to deal with a tank. Javelin wins here only because of it can automatically correct its path and doesn't need control from operator after being launched. Thus, any weapon is good if used correctly. The main difference is price here. Because of even if you need a dozen 1000$ drones to take down 1 tank this will be still cheaper than 1 Javeline round. This is why drones are preferable when you have tight budget.

[-] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 week ago

We send billions and billions to Ukraine.

And you conveniently forgot to remember that russia can stop it all by just stopping and going home.

[-] PhoenixDog@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Ukraine is being invaded. We're not sending it to the invaders.

[-] fartographer@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Politicians hide themselves away
They only started the war
Why should they go out to fight?
They leave that all to the poor, yeah

[-] Aqarius@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago

I don't know why they constantly trim it, but the full quote is "Each Javelin round costs $80,000, and the idea that it's fired by a guy who doesn't make that in a year at a guy who doesn't make that in a lifetime is somehow so outrageous it almost makes the war seem winnable." It's from a book about Afghanistan.

[-] Andonyx@lemmy.world 35 points 2 weeks ago

Well I agree with the sentiment of the post but at the time the Javelin was the star of the Ukraine war theater, it's actual cost was...hmm ....wait a second...oh...way way more.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidhambling/2022/12/19/bang-for-your-buck-does-a-javelin-missile-really-cost-as-much-as-a-ferrari/

[-] chisel@piefed.social 26 points 2 weeks ago

Geez, $240k for the reusable launcher and $200k per missle, with other similar but less effective missles costing $33k and RPGs (which have 300m range instead of 2500m range and won't kill the same level of armor) at an astonishing $80 a piece. That's more surprising to me, $80 is crazy cheap!

But damn, I wonder how much of the Javelin's price is actual cost vs being a monopoly.

[-] crank0271@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago

Come on Xiaomi, there's an opportunity here.

[-] ICastFist@programming.dev 5 points 1 week ago

Introducing the Xiavelin X42069!

First you have to slide to unlock the trigger, then watch an ad for 5 seconds, then watch another ad for 10 seconds before the electronics start working, then watch another ad in order to confirm a lock on a vehicle then, finally, you can opt to post a pre-launch photo of your viewfinder, which will be posted on the internet with a 10m precision metadata OR watch another, 30 second ad before firing!

[-] assassinatedbyCIA@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

If you’re talking about an rpg 7 it doesn’t have any fancy electronics or control systems. It’s unguided. It also hasn’t face the us military industrial complex price inflation.

[-] Einskjaldi@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

It was overbuilt to fight the military russia claimed it had.

[-] Pratai@piefed.ca 10 points 2 weeks ago

I’m guessing the asshole that downvoted this either manufactures Javelin rockets, or the assholes that fire them.

[-] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

hey asshole manufacturing is a proud and time-honored tradition

[-] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 week ago

There's a small percentage of accidental down votes.

[-] Aganim@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

Can confirm, happens to me multiple times a month while scrolling. Voyager is a nice client, but it's very easy to accidentally downvote something.

[-] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The world economy is dominated by the world's largest arms dealer by far, the USA.

But it's a much bigger problem than that, as the "directors" are an international banking consortium that control much, much more than arms production alone... they control the world-wide banking system (for example, The FED (controller of the US dollar) and the International monetary fund) and rule the world through debt. This cartel has been around since the slavery days... once, the UK was the headquarters, but now, the USA plays that role.

As this post demonstrates, war is the most fantastic source of profit for them.

They are not nationalist, but they USE nationalism for profit. They often arm and loan money to both sides of a conflict. This ruling class is not one family (like Rockefeller) or bank (like Bank of America), but a collection of the most powerful families and organizations that control generations of wealth.

Also, there's a lot of misinformation out there to shield them from criticism, they are masters of propaganda. Deceit built upon deceit, conspiracies (true and false) abound. Never, ever believe any one source, or any three sources for that matter. Today, most news organizations are either owned by them, or controlled by them via other means.

History is the key to knowledge. Now, the web is so complex that it's hard for one person to fathom, but it becomes much easier to grasp if you start at the source and observe their public history over the decades.

Deutsch Bank, JP Morgan, Wells Fargo, all serve on each others board (and The FED) and are all part of this cartel. Start at the 1800s and research from there, just pick one...

[-] MBEverding@mastodon.social 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

@Deceptichum "to kill just a poor child from a poor family. Easy come easy go little high little low. Anywhere the wind blows it doesn't really matter to USA."- bohemian Rhapsody but alterered. Anyway did you see this aljazeera article of illegal aerosol bombs from Israel evaporating children in Gaza at 3000 Celsius?

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