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[-] Rollade@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 months ago

Unused ram is wasted ram. Change my mind

[-] theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

This applies when RAM is used as temporary cache or something that can be instantly freed the moment it is needed otherwise. This doesn't really work for justifying higher RAM use by KDE, unless you would never need that RAM for anything else anyway.

I use KDE because it is good, though. Also I don't think KDE even uses more RAM than other DEs that are designed to be lightweight. Last time I compared, it used the same or less memory as LXDE.

[-] supermarkus@feddit.org 5 points 2 months ago

Also I don’t think KDE even uses more RAM than other DEs that are designed to be lightweight. Last time I compared, it used the same or less memory as LXDE.

Firefox without any website loaded uses more RAM than a full Plasma session.

[-] OwOarchist@pawb.social 1 points 2 months ago

And KDE can be even more efficient if you go into the settings and tweak things a bit, turning off some unnecessary features that are on by default.

[-] OwOarchist@pawb.social 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Also I don’t think KDE even uses more RAM than other DEs that are designed to be lightweight. Last time I compared, it used the same or less memory as LXDE.

Yep. KDE is feature-rich, but it's also highly optimized these days, and the RAM usage is actually competitive with the best of them.

You can get RAM usage lower on a very stripped down, barebones system, but if you want a full 'normal computer' desktop experience that has all the things you'd expect a computer to have, you'd be hard-pressed to find one that uses significantly less RAM than KDE. (Yes, there are some that get lower ... but not a lot lower. And unless you're running on some extremely limited hardware, are those extra 20MB of RAM really going to make a difference in your everyday life?)

[-] janus2@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

"i paid for the whole RAM imma use the whole RAM"

–me in 2010 using console commands to turn off all the particle effects in Portal so that I could boost my fps to ~20 w/ minimum settings (the laptop did not have a graphics card lmao)

[-] YellowParenti@lemmy.wtf 1 points 2 months ago

Basically a zoetrope at that point.

Reminds me when I first started pc gaming. I even doubled my RAM to 512mb! I found a mod that basically turned everything into basic polygons where the walls were just red planes, characters looked like minecraft, the guns looked like they were done by a brutalist architect after being verbally described to them. Ran a mean 45 fps, but you had to use something like CCleaner to clear the ram in between rounds.

[-] Ephera@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 months ago

It's just really oversimplifying memory usage. OS designers had that same thought decades ago already, so they introduced disk caching. If data gets loaded from disk, then it won't be erased from memory as soon as it isn't needed anymore. It's only erased, if something else requests memory and this happens to be the piece of "free" memory that the kernel thinks is the most expendable.

For example, this is what the situation on my system looks like:

free -h
               total        used        free      shared  buff/cache   available
Mem:            25Gi       9,8Gi       6,0Gi       586Mi       9,3Gi        15Gi

Out of my 32 GiB physical RAM, 25 GiB happens to be usable by my applications, of which:

  • 9.8 GiB is actually reserved (used),
  • 9.2 GiB is currently in use for disk caching and buffers (buff/cache), and
  • only 6.1 GiB is actually unused (free).

If you run cat /proc/meminfo, you can get an even more fine-grained listing.

I'm sure, I could get the number for actually unused memory even lower, if I had started more applications since booting my laptop. Or as the Wikipedia article I linked above puts it:

Usually, all physical memory not directly allocated to applications is used by the operating system for the page[/disk] cache.

So, if you launch a memory-heavy application, it will generally cause memory used for disk caching to be cleared, which will slow the rest of your system down somewhat.

Having said all that, I am on KDE myself. I do not believe, it's worth optimizing for the speed of the system, if you're sacrificing features that would speed up your usage of it. Hell, it ultimately comes down to how happy you are with your computer, so if it makes you happy, then even gaudy eye-candy can be the right investment.
I just do not like these "unused RAM is wasted RAM" calls, because it is absolutely possible to implement few features while using lots of memory, and that does slow your system down unnecessarily.

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[-] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 months ago

KDE is a LOT lighter than it used to be. The migration to plasma was ugly but they definitely got their shit together. Resource wise, it’s fine. You can run it in a pi.

GNOME is unapologetic resource wise. It’s like living with an asshole roommate that doesn’t understand why everyone hates him. It’s not getting better. KDE is.

[-] UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

While I agree with you, it's not like GNOME consumes so many ressources that it affects the average person's experience.

Personally, I think GNOME is much more self explanatory. Whatever environment you come from, even if you have no computing experience at all, you will probably get stuff done with GNOME.

With Plasma, I noticed that people with low tech-skills struggle a lot more, because they are less crazy about making everything super duper extra obvious (especially how to configure stuff)

[-] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago

Where is maximize? Where is minimize? I see windows on the screen but no window buttons other than close.

It’s windows 8 all over again. A touch interface whether you like it or not.

[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

IDK what y'all are on about. KDE + Khronkite uses very little RAM. There are a few background things you can disable if you don’t need them to make it even leaner.

It also just works, with so many integrations, all maintained for you.

My brief foray into discrete WMs like Sway was nostop “oh, it doesn’t have a WiFi manager? Oh, no sharing? Oh, no…” and I ended up having to install a bunch of stuff manually, manually configure it all, tie them together with some scripts and services that break with updates, and find out I did a no-so-great job because I haven’t spent literally thousands of man hours in integration and ended up using a lot of extra disk space and RAM anyway!

Breathes.

So yeah. Big DEs are nice. And lean, mostly.

[-] Lianodel@ttrpg.network 1 points 2 months ago

For what it's worth, I was in a similar boat. I wanted to try WMs/compositors, but the configuration seemed daunting. Then I gave Dank Material Shell a try and it just configured the vast majority of the system very nicely. I still had to change some window rules in the config file, but even that has a GUI now. I also heard great things about Noctalia, and I'm sure there are others as well.

I still think KDE is a top-tier option, to be clear. :P And adding tiling to KDE is also a great way to get the best of both worlds, just from the other direction.

[-] PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 2 months ago

The one thing I have to make leaner on every clean Plasma install is KSearch or what it's called. searching for programs is WAY slow with all the search functionality enabled

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[-] thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 months ago

KDE is neat and does what I want a DE to do

[-] shirro@aussie.zone 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Never liked the look of KDE. It is nothing to do with the tech or features. I think qt is a very solid foundation and my current desktop is built on Qt/QML. KDE just feels Windows-ish somehow and that's probably part of what makes it great for a lot of people. That is a huge win for Linux adoption. Just not for me.

I always liked Gnome. It was simple and felt fresh even though I hate gtk/gobject etc. And I still keep Gnome as a backup but it think development is being held back by being built on layers of shit.

After a long time going back and forth I think I am all in on Niri now. Regular tilers never worked for me but somehow scrollers do. It is weird how much of a difference it makes for me. It is possible to build a complete desktop now with Quickshell and a bit of a backend for some services which makes the Gnome desktop and Plasma look crazy over engineered and I don't know why the Cosmic people even bothered. I don't see how Gnome can keep up as its is such a horrible system to program. DankMaterialShell is reasonably usable for starters but I might even start working on something. It looks like fun.

[-] Allero@lemmy.today 1 points 2 months ago

All main desktop environment users triggered in 3...2...1...

But seriously, as a KDE Plasma user, I have to note it's extremely customizable. It doesn't have to look or behave like Windows at all, it's just a default.

An entirely different look? Sure! All sorts of completely customizable shortcuts? Yep! Tiling? If you so wish!

The thing that made Plasma my forever choice is that whatever I want to make it, it delivers. It has settings for everything.

Here are just two examples of the non-standard KDE looks by the way:

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[-] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 4 points 2 months ago

It's astonishing how little RAM KDE needs for its features.

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[-] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 months ago

I changed to tiling about a decade ago. The pain of switching now would never be worth it. I don't think I've tweaked a config in several years. Shit just works. As always, to each their own.

[-] matlag@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago

KDE can be considered heavy only if your idea of a desktop use is to launch it and stop right there.

But normally after that you launch apps and that's where the magic happens: it is so integrated, apps barely add any more RAM usage on top.

So instead of comparing DE x and y, compare what a desktop actively used looks like: browser? office suite? file manager? drawing app?

Only then will you be able to compare you RAM usage from one DE to another. Everything else is comparing cars fuel economy when they're all idle.

[-] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 months ago

Yeah I dont get the obsession with optimization

[-] wesker@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 2 months ago

I just prefer tiling windows managers idk

[-] Dialectical_Specialist@quokk.au 1 points 2 months ago

right? I thought twms were almost exclusively for workflow efficiency only and this was like 15 years ago lol

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[-] Ephera@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 months ago

KDE Plasma can do that, too, via a KWinscript: https://codeberg.org/anametologin/Krohnkite 🙃

On a more serious note, this is a genuine recommendation. I've been using Krohnkite and similar scripts for a few years now, and they're absolutely fine, especially since Plasma 6 introduced a native, manual tiling mechanism, which they just have to configure.
Especially for newbies wanting to try out tiling window management, without having to figure out a minimalist environment like a bare window manager, this is a great entrypoint IMHO.

[-] noxar_ad@thelemmy.club 2 points 2 months ago

I've settled for lxqt + niri because I was too lazy to rice my desktop and lxqt looked good enough, I don't know what features I'm missing but until I need them I'm doing good.

[-] LurkingLuddite@piefed.social 2 points 2 months ago

XFCE has always seemed to cover most any "normal" desktop experience I've ever needed, still even beating Windows hands down (as if that's difficult, especially these days).

Granted, I don't use KDE Connect or ... what ever else KDE has over XFCE. The styling options are fun, but I'm too old to care about style these days.

I have NOT compared them to confirm any of the supposed lesser resource usage of XFCE, so if you're going to roast me, tell me why (preferrably with direct data so we can all know).

[-] Paranoidfactoid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

I run Plasma 6. Not because I like it but because I dislike it less than Gnome infuriates me.

If lack of features and customizability is my biggest gripe with Gnome, crazy instability is my gripe with KDE. Plasma is fine on defaults, but once you customize (the way it's supposed to work), KDE becomes plain unstable. The Wacom pen input settings panel is way better in KDE than Gnome. That's the biggest reason I stay.

[-] Nalivai@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

What do you do to it so it becomes unstable?

[-] JamesBoeing737MAX@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 months ago

KDE is stable in my experience, but I don't enjoy the window management and the shitloads of embedded packages. Now I'm on river for the time being.

[-] comador@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago
[-] sunstoned@lemmus.org 1 points 2 months ago

I, too, hate aesthetics

[-] olafurp@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

I'm really interested in a tiling VM such as hyperland but I really like all the features of KDE. The latest release is absolutely massive and comes with "Save current theme"

[-] Twongo@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 months ago

hyprland looks good for screenshots but as soon as you update your system you'll see that beautiful error box on top of your screen

[-] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 months ago

Hyperland is the definition of a tiling WM thats just as heavy if not heavier than KDE (depending on your config)

[-] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 1 points 2 months ago

Last time I've checked KDE couldn't handle independent virtual desktops per monitor and my tiling manger can so...

[-] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 1 points 2 months ago

A proper scrolling wm functionality for plasma (working with activities and multiple screens) and I'd never go back to anything else.

I gotta use Ubuntu 22.04 for work and paperWM is already so close to the perfect workflow on that old system. ❤️

[-] Limerance@piefed.social 1 points 2 months ago

I used Niri with KDE apps for a month recently and liked it a lot. Niri is easiest to install already configured as a useable desktop using Dank Linux or Noctalia.

If you like PaperWM, you will love Niri.

[-] exu@feditown.com 1 points 2 months ago

I got fed up doing the integration work for a window manager eventually and replicated my needs well enough with KDE.

[-] texture@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

https://codeberg.org/anametologin/Krohnkite

heres the link for anyone interested in tiling for KDE

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