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submitted 2 months ago by stoy@lemmy.zip to c/sysadmin@lemmy.world

I started my IT career in 2011, I have enjoyed it, I have got to do a lot of interesting stuff and meet interesting people, I will treasure those memories forever.

But, starting with crypto turing general computing from being:

"Wow, this machine can run so many apps at the same time!" or "Holy shit, those graphics look epic!" or "Amazing, this computer has really sped up that annoying task!"

To being:

Yo! Look at how many numbers I can generate!

That brought down my enthusiasm severely, but hey, figuring out solutions to problems was still fun.

Then came AI/LLMs.

And with it, a mountain of slop.

Finding help about an issue has gone from googling and reading help articles written by something with an actual brain to mostly being rephrased manuals that only provide working answers to semi standard answers.

Add to that a general push to us AI in anything and everything, no matter how little relevance it holds for the task at hand.

I also remember how AI was sold to the us at first, we were promised to do away with boring paperwork, so we could get on with our actual job.

What did we get? An AI that takes the fun and creative parts, leaving the paperwork for the workers.

We got an AI that we need to expect to be stealing our work and data at every point, giving us shit work back, while being told that we should applaude it and be grateful for it.

And the worst thing, the worst thing is that people seem happy with it. I keep getting requests to buy another Copilot license or asking for another AI service to be added to our tenant, I am sick of it!

We got an AI that somehow has slithered onto the golden throne and can't be questioned.


I am not able to leave the tech market at this time, but I will focus on more tangible hobbies going forward.

This year, I have given myself a project, I will try to build a model railway in a suitcase. That will be a Z-scale tiny world in a suitcase.

I have never done anything remotely like it, but I feel like I need something physical to take my mind off tech.

Sorry for the rant, but I just came off of a high from realizing and putting words to my feelings.

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[-] yyprum@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 months ago

As someone with similar feelings in general and a similar history, I feel you are blaming only the latest and worse effects on tech and of tech on society.

I started my career in parallel with mobile devices and smartphones. The whole idea of new possibilities, new ways to interact with tech, miniaturization, etc., is what called me most as it was a huge field starting and I tried to find my path forward. I've seen from close, real close, how an incredible tech, full of possibilities has been slowly been captured by the market capitalists that inevitably always ended up controlling the direction of every company.

This is not caused by crypto, this is not caused by LLMs. The origin is greed and capitalism. Decisions being made to make number go up.

Really, crypto is a fascinating tech, it's not the fault of the technology that crypto-bros came to conquer everything and misuse it and abused it to make a quick buck.

LLMs are impressive, think about it, we have managed to completely break the Turing test. We have machines that sound so human that mostly everyone is in a constant suspicion that everything they see is made by an LLM. LLMs sound so human that they are full of confidence and mostly always full of shit. Just think about it, AI is just a representation of humanity, what we do with it just represents and highlights the issues in society.

The reality is that those two, have just suffered a faster, the fastest we've seen yet probably, tech lifecycle - growth, hype, plateauing, and eventually decline and enshittification of any service related to the tech.

Consider search engines, their demise is not because of AI, AI is just the last blow. I used to be very good at finding what I wanted, I knew how to use the tool to make the best of it. Slowly over the years much as I want, I cannot get the results I want without a lot of effort. I haven't somehow become shit at it, the tools and the tech have been modified and changed until it has become useless, the whole point is not finding anymore, but making you search as much as possible.

Consider the mobile hardware field as it is now, compared to the years when it started blowing up with all kind of devices and possibilities. The market has been captured, a few companies remain, releasing the same thing over and over with the latest and bigger number each year. Slowly the whole wild world we had of custom roms, has been captured so that if you get out of the fenced field your apps won't work because it is not safe. Apps check that you are using them in an unmodified and perfectly controlled OS where you own nothing. Apple has always been king of fenced fields, but now Google is doing all it can to imitate it, squeezing in and trying to capture as much of their open field into their very high fenced safe areas. They want to control the source of apps, the developers, and remove the freedom from the devices. It's crypto and LLMs at a slower pace. Working for so many years as a developer I can feel how I'm more and more tied up to the whims and wishes of companies that don't pay me the salary, I keep bringing this up and make a safer path for the future but the company that does pay my salary doesn't care, they just want the latest BS and hyped concepts.

People like you or me, we have a special vantage point. We know how we can still fight that, we know what are the alternatives, we know what the tech could become. We need to bring that knowledge to everyone, keep pushing for FOSS solutions, keep teaching everyone that tech is not difficult, it's not magic, but it requires learning and education. It requires not falling on the path of less resistance, and fight against lobbying and market capture. It's tough, when we just get so tired of constantly fighting it. What I think you find so tiring is not Crypto and LLMs but how tech is being guided to its demise, to become a tool for control and nothing more.

[-] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

The IT worker pipeline:

help desk > sysadmin > CTO/CISO > goat farmer

[-] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 0 points 2 months ago

Still on help desk and can't seem to get past it. Goat farmer is already appealing but I can't afford it. There are few job opportunities where I live too.

[-] mycodesucks@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

Hey, look on the bright side...

Most people can't even get help desk jobs these days.

[-] Retail4068@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I'm devops? Horse shit. Maybe you ain't making 150k right out of college but there are PLENTY of devops jobs.

Its not that no one is getting jobs, its that the market is saturated and getting worse. Tech firms have layed off or off shored hundreds of thousands of workers and with "AI" the number of roles is dropping quickly; especially entry level roles.

[-] Retail4068@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Yep. Wages and 160k+ out of school are slowing down and mostly going away. Still plenty of the regular stuff left.

If you know TF, and container deployments you can find a job for 120k all day at the drop off a hat in the states. Send me a resume and I'll ping you to a role we are filling for 140k.

As a senior I found a role for 210 and turned down 3 150-175k offers 3 months ago.

It's harder, it's still not physical labor for slave wages.

There is a right sizing of over hiring as well as everyone scrambling to find what real efficiency AI brings. It's bringing variability.

[-] cobysev@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

When I became a sysadmin 24 years ago, I figured the general public was still adapting to the rapid overnight advancements and integration into the tech industry. I assumed that as people figured out how to use software and computer technology in their daily lives, help desk support would practically disappear and we'd be able to move our efforts toward fully maintaining systems instead of customers.

I had no idea how resistant the general public would be to actually learning and understanding technology. We went from recommending customers avoid certain bad programs and hardware, to being forced to incorporate them into our infrastructure because the general public didn't want to give them up.

My professional opinion was overruled many times because someone higher up the food chain wanted to use a device or app that hurt our client base or mission parameters, but was familiar to them, so they wanted it included in our suite of tools.

I'm grateful to see a lot of public resistance to AI, even if corporations are doubling down on their investment into the technology. But I don't have any hope for the future of technology or the general public who use it daily. AI is just the latest excuse for people to not learn how to use technology efficiently.

I expected younger generations to be raised on this tech and be absolute wizards in its use, understanding it even better than I do! Instead, they were raised on slop and ad-riddled ADHD-promoting garbage apps that rotted their brains and prevented them from learning basic tools and functions. As a millennial, I've spent the better half of a decade teaching boomers how to use this tech, and then the next decade trying to reeducate zoomers on how to properly use tech and break their life-long bad habits.

I retired from the IT industry after only 20 years. Now I enjoy tinkering with technology in my free time. I always enjoyed teaching people how to use their personal computers and smartphones, but I can't spend another minute on a help desk, fielding calls from people who still don't know how to read error messages that pop up in their face. AI will be the death of the industry if integrated into everything and left unchecked. Maybe it'd be for the best.

[-] deafboy@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

A bit of unrequested advice... Help expand, or start a mesh network in your area. The SX1260 lora chips are a modern miracle. Plus, It's basically hiking and socializing activity masked as a tech hobby. There's also a chance of learning a little bit of physics, or community organizing as a bonus.

With the new people you meet, there's also a chance of finding a new hobby. I've met an unexpected number of paraglidists through my various tech interests. People from all kinds of backgrounds are really into flying. Who knew?

[-] stoy@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 months ago

I have actually thought about setting up a Meshtastic node, or perhaps even setting up a LORA link for a personal project.

During the pandemic, my dad asked me to see if we could set up a water temp sensor at a local swimming hole, a few months of work with a raspberry pi, a DS8B20, a motorcycle battery, a web hotel and a friendly neighbor later and we have for several years had an automatic website displaying the current temp in the water at the swimming hole, we borrow the neighbor's wifi, and send the data to the webhotel.

It would be interesting to see if instead of relying on the neighbors wifi we could use LORA nodes to send the data to a node at home and have that submit the data to the webhotel

It was fun and built in bash/php/mysql with zero ai.

[-] 5in1k@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 months ago

I dove deep into meshtastic, I bought 6 Heltec v4 boards and 2 T114's and once it's nice out I'm mounting a solar node above my garage roof and one at a friend's house as well.

[-] monotremata@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 months ago

I gave a quick try of meshtastic and quickly switched over to meshcore, which has a much smarter routing algorithm that makes it more useful in cities. I'm also reticulum-curious. In the medium-term I'm looking at possibly putting up a solar "roompeater," which acts as both a "room" (basically allows asynchronous chat between two client nodes that aren't always online at the same time) and a repeater (basically a router). It has some disadvantages over running the two separately, but since I want both to have power in the event of a disaster, the cost savings of doing both on one node outweighs those for me right now.

[-] JoeTheSane@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

I can relate. I have been in tech for about 30 years now and have never been less interested in it. I used to love learning and implementing new things, and now I’d rather not. I think part of it is the changing landscape for tech but a lot of it is just me. I’m not really playing video games anymore, don’t read the tech-based posts on Lemmy or videos on any of the creator platforms. I don’t care about upgrading my devices, it just seems like a waste of money to drop $1000 on an incremental upgrade and AI that I don’t want.

Part of it is that I’ve just reached an age where I’m starting to think about what I have done, what I haven’t done and what I’m going to leave behind and what I’m leaving behind is game consoles and a collection of cables that I’ll never use. So, I’ve decided to move on. I’m volunteering at a local living history museum where we are restoring the waterway of a late 1700s grist and woolen mill, rebuilding and preserving something that the community can enjoy long after I’m gone. I’m also learning how to make things. I’m learning woodworking to start making shaker-style furniture and how to process wool and crochet. I’m crocheting a nice wool blanket for my wife so she has something tangible to remember me by if I’m lucky enough to go first. What woodworking tools I don’t have, I’m making. I’ve made a mallet, marking gauge, shooting board, and am just finishing a turning saw that I can use now and will still be usable to someone else long after I’m gone.

Anyways, to close out this ramble, take a step back from tech and think about legacy. Tech is just a tool and it’s rare that it will allow you leave behind anything lasting. It’s frustrating and lonely and it’s only getting worse. Get out and do something for your community or make something for your loved ones. Find the ability to take personal satisfaction in doing instead of consuming. You’ll be happier.

[-] CorrectAlias@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 months ago

I would love to leave tech. Desperately. But I feel that I have no other real skills, and I have a mortgage that I need to pay and a house to maintain. I do have savings, but it would probably only last a year at best.

I would love to do something outdoors. Like, maybe for WA state's park services. But I've heard that's super competitive and next to impossible to get into without first volunteering for years.

[-] AA5B@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

That can be a dangerous line of thought …..

Started thinking of my legacy and

  • I’m divorced
  • I’ve been bad at keeping up with friends
  • I’m unlikely to have grandkids and am estranged from my only niece
  • I live far from my family
  • my kids can’t afford to live in my town
  • I won’t be able to leave a house or other inheritance
  • even if one of my kids has kids I’m not sure I can run around with them anymore

Everything I’ve done has no lasting value. I’ve always loved tech and can fix the problem of the day but a year or two later that’s no longer relevant

[-] Lysergid@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 months ago

I think those are symptoms of more general trend - IT is not a tool to make people’s lives easier or fun anymore. Until last 5 years all my projects were about making things possible or automating tedious manual tasks. Now, for almost all use cases there is some solution or components you (or AI) can slap together to build a solution. Today it’s all about cutting costs and increasing margins. There is nothing fun or creative in this job, all feedback you get is lower numbers on dashboard. Budgets are squeezed to make more profit, so there is no time to get bored and improve things around you.

Look, in my IT company, I have to track my time in 3 different system and no-one cares because there is no ROI in automating it. That should tell you in which state IT is

[-] Retail4068@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

Nearly 20 years in. 

As far as jobs are, I love it.  I get paid stupid money to play with fancy lego and work. The tech hasn't changed that much, AI is quite helpful and probably brings down my actual working time to 20 hours a week.

The rest of the time I'm WFH enjoying lots of steam deck breaks. 

I love the people screeching about how AI is just garbage and can't help them. Because it makes my look that much better when far less work and they set the bar much lower. 

You sound depressed. AI isn't a good reason to be hating your job.

[-] annoyed_onion@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

I relate hard to this. Same general trend as you but I'm in web dev.

When I started, we built sites in tables before Ajax was a thing. Then there was the golden age of standards and jQuery before the JavaScript framework wars. Recently it's just been absolute new tech overload turning keeping up with latest developments into its own full time job.

Then came along ai, being the new IoT and getting shoved into things it has no right being in. Combine that with pressure on using it to ship faster and 'reduce costs' has soured me a fair bit.

It does produce more code but I've no real confidence in its output and quickly lose track of the codebase because I'm not making the granular detailed decisions that build up a project. Combine that with it hallucinating functions that don't exist, making up requirements and generally just being fairly mediocre at best is making the job not what I signed up to do. But, the powers that be have bought into the hype and usage must continue until morale (and profits) improves.

Like you, I've no real alternatives so have to stick with it for the time being.

I was finding that at nights I would make dinner and park myself on the couch watching YouTube for 3-4 hours. Nothing specific, just whatever the algorithm was feeding me. It was not a good time and I think it added to the general sense of being burned out. Combine that with general world events over the last few years and it's just a mental shit show waiting to happen.

Like you, I decided to try something physical and I took up watercolour painting recently just to have some sort of non screen related hobby I could do at nights. I was never good at art in school so figured the abstract nature of it might be a good fit and I've been really enjoying it. Yes, I'm still watching bits of YouTube but in a more targeted way.

I would highly recommend something creative and analogue to anyone reading and relating to your post or mine.

There's a nice feeling of seeing your skills improve and having something tangible to show for the time spent rather than the distant memory of consuming some random digital media you weren't actively seeking out.

Good luck with the railway!

[-] stoy@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 months ago

Yeah, I feel you, I live alone an watch a shit tonne of YT, luckily I have been curating my watch history for many years now, and my recommendations are quite well tuned.

I have a few channels that have helpt me stay sane.

Clabretro - a guy my age homelabbing with 90s/00s IT gear, really fun.

All the gear - Jack and Ethan from Car Throttle going on small adventures and setting cheap challenges. Really fun.

Philip Thompson - Real life spy stories, well made and interesting.

Code Bullet - chaotic programming.

James Channel - gaming, angle grinders duct tape and super glue.

Aviation Republic - Well made long form documentaries about military aircraft.

Keeping_a_lighthouse - amazing footage, interesting insight into a very special work.

Our own devices - interesting video about interesting things by a lovely Canadian man.


Other than YT, I love driving, and I mostly listen to podcasts, but have recently got into audiobooks, with a main focus on sci-fi.

Brilliant stuff.


Oh and I just found out my favourite lens has been repaired, so soon I'll get to head out with my amazing 24-105mm f4 Lumix lens again.

[-] rekabis@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Let me give an example that matches my own discouragement and might also explain yours.

In the middle of last century, the woodworking industry that created fine furniture started experiencing a shift. Due to the sudden explosion of wages and wealth and population in the late 40s to 70s, products had to be made faster and cheaper.

One method was to lower the quality of inputs. Plywood instead of hardwood. Then fiberboard/chipboard instead of plywood.

We see the same system in play now, with AI automation and it’s gratuitous hallucinations. It is essentially garbage materials in order to save time and money.

But another method was also in automating the work. Whereas before craftsmen used hand planes and chisels, newer craftsmen used electric shapers and planers. And later, CNC machines stepped in to produce delicate and complicated designs in a fraction of the time - and frequently even more precisely and more cleanly - than anyone with a carving chisel could do.

And that is the part which is NOT being effectively duplicated in IT.

Sure, AI can automate the work, but instead of maintaining quality, said quality of work is also taking a nosedive in tandem with the quality of materials.

And that is what is discouraging me six ways to Sunday. It’s garbage on both sides of the coin, and not just one. There is no part of the equation in which I can still take pride in. It’s all depressive, disgusting slop that I would be ashamed to put my name to.

[-] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

Sure, AI can automate the work, but instead of maintaining quality, said quality of work is also taking a nosedive in tandem with the quality of materials.

Knuth wrote about AI solving one of his 30 year old problems:

https://www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/~knuth/papers/claude-cycles.pdf

So it can be good in the right hands.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

One method was to lower the quality of inputs. Plywood instead of hardwood. Then fiberboard/chipboard instead of plywood.

In fairness, hardwood is in limited supply. It takes a long time to produce, is expensive to harvest correctly, and typically means demolishing old growth forests to obtain. The "lower quality" products definitely have their trade-offs, but a lot of the quality issues are resolved through engineering improvements and materials sciences.

I would argue the real downside of lower quality inputs is the advent of "disposable" furniture (the IKEA brand crap most notably). Stuff that could have been designed to last, but isn't, and ends up in landfills after moving day as a result. Rather than a savings yield, what you get is a waste surplus.

And later, CNC machines stepped in to produce delicate and complicated designs in a fraction of the time - and frequently even more precisely and more cleanly - than anyone with a carving chisel could do.

And that is the part which is NOT being effectively duplicated in IT.

Lolwhut? We've come so far even in the last ten years, in terms of IDEs, deployment pipelines, and automated unit testing.

[-] massacre@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Humans are the CNC machines in your analogy here. Basically we are left to clean up after the sloppy material inputs to get reasonable outputs. It's just that techbros don't believe that is (or at least will ultimately be) necessary and that AI can do this step.

The jury is already in on current tech (techbros are wrong), and still out on coming tech in this space, but it seems very unlikely (past experience with tech bros says they are hype machines and full of shit).

So what we land on with AI acting as the CNC is this pseudo facade where the furniture it cranks out looking OK from a distance, up close it's pretty garbage but while everyone is starting (or forced) to sit on the chairs, it looks like they aren't really load bearing...

now... apply this to IT, Medical, Financial, Military and any other serious application and you don't have to wonder why people are concerned anymore.

[-] rekabis@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 months ago

I disagree with humans being the CNC machines. In both cases, humans instruct the technology to create the designs, but it is the machine which is digging into the product to create the visual patterns.

[-] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

An AI that takes the fun and creative parts

AI also sucks at them. It's just a very convenient excuse for the owner class to act out their firing of workers after the overhirings of 2020, and if it can turn their workers into the mythical 10x engineers people in the industry talked about, that's a bonus.

[-] qqq@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

It really doesn't suck at them. AI writes great code; I think we just want it to suck. It can't magically generate a new Linux kernel, but the small tasks I've seen it do have all been mostly above average. (I have also seen some complete garbage, yes, mostly above average)

[-] Senal@programming.dev 0 points 2 months ago

It really doesn’t suck at them. AI writes great code; I think we just want it to suck.

Citation? I’m really asking because I’ve yet to hear about anything above a toy project that has had any verifiable success with AI code generation as a major component of their workflow.

As in a like for like improvement in code quality, security, bug occurrences and severity, developer efficiency, all that jazz, not just the standard "we've funnelled so much money in to this we are almost fiscally required to claim success"

its not a dig, i really want to see one so i can found out how it was done.

[-] qqq@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Claude commits to GitHub with the same name no matter who uses it. You can see every single line of open source code it has written (for GitHub only of course): https://github.com/search?q=author%3Aclaude&type=commits&s=author-date&o=desc. Look around as you please, most of it is just fine.

People that I know to be good developers have also shared their experiences with it and say yes, it has written good code for them. I've personally used ChatGPT to generate very mundane tasks and the code it output was more than adequate.

It introduces security bugs and subtle bugs at probably the same rate as a human (I have no "citation" there, just what I've seen). It needs to be "driven" by a human, yes, but it's not clear for how long it will need to be, and even if it always does, personally I don't want my job to be to "drive an AI".

[-] Senal@programming.dev 0 points 2 months ago

I appreciate the answer but that's not at all what i asked.

I have anecdotes and personal experience i could cite but that's not particularly helpful in a general sense.

Pointing to claude submissions in projects is actively less than helpful in this case because it only proves that single files in isolation look like they are well written, it gives no indication of overall project quality.

People that I know to be good developers have also shared their experiences with it and say yes, it has written good code for them. I’ve personally used ChatGPT to generate very mundane tasks and the code it output was more than adequate.

So in a very limited context the code generated for you personally was acceptable, that's great, i've found much the same, but that's a far cry from "AI writes great code; I think we just want it to suck."

It's somewhat my bad though, when i say "citation" i don't need a full research paper (though that would be nice) i'd like something a bit more substantial than a "trust me bro".

It introduces security bugs and subtle bugs at probably the same rate as a human (I have no “citation” there, just what I’ve seen)

That's a load-bearing probably, my experience has been the polar opposite of that, I’ve been involved in two major AI initiatives and both choked hard on security and domain bugs. That could very well be a project management or company specific issue, hence the search for successful projects to compare.

My quest continues.

[-] qqq@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I didn't say "trust me bro" and showing Claude submissions is sufficient for analyzing code in the context I believe it is good: one file at a time and one task at a time. This is also the same realm that a human is good. You are welcome to look at the project as a whole to determine the "project quality" as well: it's open source. But I'm not here to argue: I believe this tech that is barely in its infancy is already quite good and going to get better, and I'm already considering what it will do to my life. If you don't, that's fine.


I'll add here that I find it very frustrating to talk about these "AI agents" and their code output, because it's something we're all close to and spent a lot of time learning. The concept of "a machine" getting "better than us" so quickly, with the background context of an industry that is chomping at the bit to replace humans makes these discussions inherently difficult and really emotional. I feel genuine sadness when I think about it. If the world were different we'd probably all be stoked. I don't want the AI to be better than me, and I currently don't believe it is, but I think:

  1. My belief doesn't stop the market. People do believe that it is better than me or at least good enough. This has a real effect on my life and the lives of people I know.
  2. I don't see any fundamental reason it won't get better at development. Part of the reason it struggles with large projects is context: that doesn't sound like a fundamental engineering constraint to me, it sounds like a memory constraint. Specialization will also make it better and better I assume.
  3. Even if it is never better than me, it will certainly be more efficient and eventually the market will consider my time better spent correcting its output or guiding it, removing the fun part of the work in my mind.

I don't think my job is currently on the chopping block today: I don't do development I do security work. But I do think it will either be on the chopping block or fundamentally change sooner than I'm comfortable with.

[-] Senal@programming.dev 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

That's on me, I meant the equivalent of a "trust me bro" , in this case an anecdotal "me and the people I know all say..."

showing Claude submissions is sufficient for analyzing code in the context I believe it is good

Yes, in the context you provided it makes sense, as a response to my question which specified examples of larger projects/workflows, it does not.

Im not here to argue either, I asked a specific question and your answer didn't really address any of it, i was just pointing that out.


I too find it frustrating but it seems for different reasons.

I really really dislike the way it's being sold as a solution for things it's in no way a solution for.

They do certain things fine, good even, but blanket statements like "their code is great" without appropriate qualifiers is contributing to the validation of these bullshit sales-oriented claims of task competency.

1: agreed

2: then I think you are missing the fundamental limitations of the current approaches, but we can agree to disagree on this.

3: see 2

I agree with jobs on the chopping block, though i think that's in large part due to poor due diligence and planing by management, but that's nothing new, the same thing has and is still happening with offshoring (throwing more people at a problem generally won't solve design and governance issues).

I also think the current systems aren't capable of being a viable replacement for anything above junior level stuff, if that ( not that that doesn't present it's own problems )

I think the difference in opinion comes from my belief that LLM's and the current tooling around them aren't fundamentally capable of replacing existing resources, not that they just don't have the power yet.

Putting increasing large compute in a calculator won't magically make it a spreadsheet application.

[-] Kortalh@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

"Small tasks" are the key there. It can write a small script or spin up application boilerplate very well, but it really struggles with long-term maintenance and new features on a complex application.

I spend about as much time telling the AI "no, not like that" as it supposedly saves me from not having to type the code manually.

It does have some value, but I'd put it around a 10% boost -- not the 500% boost that senior leadership insists it can do.

[-] qqq@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

Right, but I think we're kidding ourselves if we don't think it's going to get better. I have no doubt it will be able to magically generate a new Linux kernel.

[-] SparroHawc@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

You say that, but you have to remember that LLMs produce the average output of their training materials. Not the best, but the average. And there's a lot of code out there that is simple. Only the outliers have the magic combination of conciseness AND quality AND complexity.

LLMs also have no understanding of context outside the immediate. Satire is completely opaque to them. Sarcasm is lost on them, by and large. And they have no way to differentiate between good and bad output. Or good and bad input, for that matter. Joke pseudocode is just as valid in their training corpus as dire warnings about insecure code.

I read a comment once that still rings true - "Hallucinations" are a misnomer. Everything an LLM puts out is a hallucination; it's just that a lot of the time, it happens to be accurate. Eliminating that last percentage of inaccurate hallucinations is going to be nearly impossible.

[-] poVoq@slrpnk.net 0 points 2 months ago

Sounds like you are doing sysadmin work for an public institution or so where people are only bullshitting their jobs. Maybe try moving to something more impactful? Like rail infrastructure or so?

[-] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 months ago

sysadmin work for an public institution or so where people are only bullshitting their jobs.

About half my career and part of my current contract load is to a public organization of one type or another. But I've been half and half anyway.

Dotcom is a wasteland of gunners/pluggers and wageslaves, none of them afforded enough time to get anything complete and good. Public orgs with union contracts employ people with a good life balance and the freedom to do a great job about 95% of the time, after the layers of regulations are met.

I found slackers at both types of org: the public slacker is a hapless clod whose tasks all get reassigned and he really doesn't do much. He's about 3% of the workforce. The dotcom slacker is a harried guy muddling through something he's not trained for, with no help since his peers have their own KPIs, hoping like fuck he can get Project Grapefruit done by next Town Hall meeting lest he be voted off the island. Again, 3%.

The public org is great people who've done this work effectively their entire career. They're astoundingly good at it, and are still energized by the work and the educational programmes. Dotcoms have no training and the few people who make it past 2 years are likely PIPped by year 4 because of the "fresh talent" policy

I envy the public org people. I miss my non-work life sometimes.

[-] Lodespawn@aussie.zone 0 points 2 months ago

Pivot to OT or telecommunication. Actual telecommunications in any industrial setting is screaming for capable people and is normally focused on providing critical safety systems. You may have to work for a soul destroying Oil and Gas company, but you could also get into rail or power.

[-] stoy@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 months ago

That actually sounds quite interesting!

I find telecoms to be interesting.

[-] Lodespawn@aussie.zone 1 points 2 months ago

I really like the work, Equipment tends to be a lot more diverse than bog standard IT, networks and systems more targeted to specific applications, technologies could be anything from ethernet to P2P microwave to satcoms to mobile radio to cellular to SDH/PDH, supported applications/systems will keep you forever learning, work locations can be pretty varied. While the industry generally struggles for staff, breaking in can be tough, but I think so long as you're a straight shooter and willing to learn you're generally fine. People transition in from IT all the time.

[-] vapeloki@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago

I worked in IT for 20 years now. And I find every new topic interesting. Just because AI is hallucinating some shit, I had never trouble find help on the net.

What are you doing the whole day? Is this sich a boring job over there in finance?

[-] stoy@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 months ago

I am over worked, I am the sole It guy for almost 200 users across several sites.

I am also their video producer.

My manager has said that we need a minimum if two more IT workers but management has refused.

[-] OwOarchist@pawb.social 1 points 2 months ago

Wait for something really important and urgent to come up, and just before the deadline, call in sick for a couple days. Then turn your phone off, don't check your email, etc.

When you get back into the office, perhaps opinions about needing additional IT staff will have changed.

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