Ubuntu's trust problem in 4 concrete issues - verified facts, no FUD : linux

[-] anzo@programming.dev 10 points 1 day ago

I believe the community had expressed a lot of valuable ideas here, so I will keep the post. But I am locking the thread because it's just not information given in good faith. That's not to say that the points are all wrong, these can be debated. And we did debate. But the infographic itself is border to being just propaganda against a distro that serves well to a lot of users (this is a fact! even if me or you think those users could be served better.)

[-] Xylight@lemdro.id 14 points 1 day ago

why is this infographic AI generated and where are the pixels

[-] rozodru@piefed.world 159 points 2 days ago

automatically attaching snaps to apt is pretty much the one reason why I'll never use Ubuntu. and now I find out here that they put damn ads in the terminal for "Ubuntu Pro"? oh get fucked Canonical.

Friends don't let Friends install Ubuntu.

[-] GreatBlueHeron@lemmy.ca 44 points 2 days ago

My main home server runs Ubuntu - I installed it 15-20 years ago and it's grown into a monster. I've been slowly documenting everything so I can reinstall with Debian. Have to up the priority of that project.

[-] chunkystyles@sopuli.xyz 13 points 1 day ago

Debian is so nice as a server OS. It's also a great alternative for WSL if you're forced to use a Windows computer.

[-] GreatBlueHeron@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago

I already run Debian on my desktop and 3 other small servers. I just haven't moved over my main one yet because of the complexity, and procrastination.

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[-] TheOneCurly@feddit.online 30 points 2 days ago

And they've tied the dependency tree together such that you can't disable them without entirely breaking updates.

[-] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 10 points 1 day ago

Even Microsoft hasn't put ads in the terminal I think.

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[-] Sunny@slrpnk.net 24 points 1 day ago

I find it rather interesting that the same author wrote a new article about how to install Ubuntu 24.04 LTS the day after writing about Ubuntu's trust problem, but without mentioning the previous article or any point he previously made...

[-] Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social 31 points 1 day ago

I've come to learn that it might be AI writing these

[-] Sunny@slrpnk.net 12 points 1 day ago

100%... I just had a look through the other articles too and they reek of AI.

[-] Sunny@slrpnk.net 16 points 1 day ago

Im pretty sure these articles are written with AI. He already uses AI for generating images for the articles too. Like this paragraph from one of the articles.. Who the fudge writes like this?

Text in image:

This single question filters out script writers from script engineers. Most beginners write scripts that silently fail. Production scripts at companies like Stripe or Palantir use strict error handling from line one.

[-] Sivecano@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 day ago

"author"

[-] luciole@beehaw.org 82 points 2 days ago

If anyone else would rather read text as text: https://www.linuxteck.com/ubuntu-trust-problem-2026/

[-] Cris_Citrus@piefed.zip 2 points 1 day ago

Thanks :)

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[-] davidgro@lemmy.world 59 points 2 days ago

Strong agree. I use a derivative that blocks snaps instead of direct Kubuntu now, and it wasn't Just because of the snaps.

[-] woelkchen@lemmy.world 36 points 2 days ago

I use a derivative

Without Ubuntu Pro subscription the entire Universe repository does not receive any security updates by Canonical:

https://canonical.com/blog/ubuntu-pro-enhanced-security-and-manageability-for-linux-desktop

You should consider switching to an entirely independent distribution that does not lock security updates behind a paywall, perhaps something based directly on Debian or Fedora.

[-] harsh3466@lemmy.ml 27 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Update: Correction. While you do get five years of security updates for Universe on an Ubuntu LTS, those are updates done by the ubuntu community, not canonical. To get Universe security updates from Canonical, you do have to sign up to Ubuntu pro, which can be done without any payment, but as I describe in my original comment, does require creating an account.

While Canonical deserves the criticisms leveled by op (that I agree with), it's also incorrect to say that they lock security updated behind a paywall.

Anyone that does use Ubuntu gets security updated until they stop supporting that particular release version, which iirc is for six years (I may be wrong, thus is from memory).

If you want extended security updates for a specific version of the os, you can elect to sign up to Ubuntu pro without paying any money. You do have to make an account, and if you so choose you can populate the account info with garbage info and a disposable email, and you'll get extended security updates for that release version.

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[-] mrnngglry@sh.itjust.works 16 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

The updates available through Ubuntu Pro wouldn’t have normally been available prior to Pro. It’s an added service, not something that was previously available that is now locked behind a paywall. There are plenty of reasons to not like Canonical but this isn’t one.

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[-] unknown1234_5@kbin.earth 35 points 2 days ago

the malware one happens in most repos at some point, but the rest is why i dont use ubuntu.

[-] Qwel@sopuli.xyz 6 points 1 day ago

Not this kind of malware specifically. Their snap repo has a policy of allowing fully automatic app submission as long as the app is sandboxed. This led to multiple people submiting modified crypto wallet apps under the branding of the original trusted devs, without any challenge on Ubuntu's part. You could also put up a Librewolf version that leaks all the passwords you type in, or a Signal without encryption - ✨ endless creativity ✨. This specific attack is harder on Flathub as all apps have to be checked by the moderation team, and they should ask question if your Librewolf package is built from your own repo.

[-] slazer2au@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago

Yes, that is not just OS repos. There have been plenty of cases with PIP and NPM hosting malware.

[-] RamRabbit@lemmy.world 28 points 2 days ago

The article: https://www.linuxteck.com/ubuntu-trust-problem-2026/

[-] SlurpingPus@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago

Thanks. I have to wonder if people became allergic to posting text that can be resized to my screen.

Although the site is also shit, on the phone the text column is like twenty characters wide.

[-] Lawnman23@piefed.social 25 points 2 days ago

Ironically, just read an article recently about this exact issue.

https://itsfoss.com/opinion/why-hate-ubuntu/

[-] Sunny@slrpnk.net 4 points 1 day ago

The article from LinuxTeck is AI generated. Not unlikely the itsfoss was used as inspiration or whatever since ot was posted the week before.

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[-] MNByChoice@midwest.social 28 points 2 days ago

The best part of Ubuntu was improving Debian. In the beginning, Debian was a bit ugly and difficult. Ubuntu was competition, and perhaps resources (IDK) directly or indirectly. Debian is much easier to use than it was when Ubuntu was new.

Ubuntu is taking the RedHat approach (over complicating so that one must buy the support).

[-] Willoughby@piefed.world 28 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

arch

bow and arrow

is this from another dimension?

Is .gif different there?

[-] lvxferre@mander.xyz 51 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

All symbols are wrong, but in ways that oddly make sense:

Mint - it's a leaf.
Fedora - it's a wearable.
Debian - the logo coils itself, so does a snake.
Arch - arcus~arco~arc is "bow" in Latin/Romance.

I don't know if what I'm going to say is correct, but this smells like LLM shitting emojis.

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[-] Aatube@thriv.social 21 points 2 days ago

is it just me or does especially the text read AI-generated?

[-] kungen@feddit.nu 13 points 1 day ago

The whole "verified facts, no FUD" title is exactly the kind of shit an LLM would write. (And it'll still make up a ton of "facts", of course)

[-] sobchak@programming.dev 8 points 1 day ago

It's also using unicode emojis for Linux distros (that don't really make sense) instead of their logos. The whole thing is likely AI generated.

[-] whimsy@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 day ago

This style of website design is almost certainly AI made

[-] Sunny@slrpnk.net 5 points 1 day ago

It 100% is...

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[-] motruck@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 day ago

Company gonna company. Switch back to Debian and realize most of what Ubuntu did was copy Debian and allow for non free drivers.

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[-] markz@suppo.fi 9 points 1 day ago

Why is fedora a tank top?

[-] Crozekiel@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 day ago

Is that what that is? I thought it was a grocery bag.

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[-] Evil_Shrubbery@thelemmy.club 22 points 2 days ago

Lmao, they put ads in the terminal? Are they pandering to Win11 users?? :)

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[-] Zier@fedia.io 12 points 2 days ago

Snap is the cancer of Linux. Go work for Micro$lop if you like to disrespect users.

[-] CumbrianCucumber@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Thanks for this. I started Linux with Ubuntu, just because being the most popular distro, I figured it would most likely to be compatible with everything. I was just about to make a post asking why the Linux community dunks on Ubuntu, but this graphic explains a lot

[-] nyan@lemmy.cafe 10 points 2 days ago

. . . and it all boils down to "Canonical being into rent-seeking and having weird NIH issues that make it push low-quality own software (snaps in the current iteration, but there have been others) over better solutions used by other distros."

[-] m3t00@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

pretty sure i ripped out snap by the short hairs. snap firefox was too buggy so switched to mozilla version. btw, i fucking hate apparmor defaults. it's gone too.

root@meh:~# snap

Command 'snap' not found, but can be installed with: apt install snapd

[-] ZombieCyborgFromOuterSpace@piefed.ca 2 points 1 day ago

Honestly, I use Ubuntu and everything mentioned here are non issues. Except forcing Snaps when using apt.

I've never noticed ads for Ubuntu Pro in my terminal so it can't be that intrusive.

When I install software, I use the KDE software center that let's me pick which one I want to use between Deb, Snaps or Flatpak.

Firefox snap doesn't start as slow as mentioned. At least not anymore.

The malware issue can happen with flatpaks as well and even native packages. In fact there have been more security issues introduced in more bleeding edge distros like Arch and Fedora that didn't affect Ubuntu. So...

Anyway. It's really not that big a deal except for forcing Snaps when using apt. But that can be disabled too. So again, not really a big deal.

[-] Dagamant@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

The ads in terminal show when you use ssh or only command line for the system. It happens when you log in so you mainly see it if you use Ubuntu server or use ssh to get into your computer a lot.

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