The video I linked for reference
I guess I was "sympathizing with invaders" because I said "Such an absolute waste of life, just for the vanity of one man."
Just patently ridiculous moderation...
They even ask for donations for nazi orgs like "The Hospitallers". Just go on their webpage, right on the frontpage there is even a pic of them posing infront of the banderite Blood and Soil flag with one guy sieg heiling. It's a nazi comm that has been asking for donations for nazis like Sternenko as well repeatedly. Complete cesspool.
edit: also one of their mods shares their opinions which is just ??? https://lemmy.ml/post/44625171/24650997 The ukrainian nazis are on the decline but they're actually better at fighting than the actual army but thats actually good thing because otherwise there would be even more nazis and you're a fascist if you support the other side.
Where Russian casualties are routinely celebrated, failing to cheer hard enough makes you stand out, I guess.
I watched the video and it's pretty objective, just being an analysis of the situation. It focuses on the numbers and strategies. No sympathy shown.
I can see the moderator taking your statement about wasting lives as "sympathetic" because their view is probably along the lines of "all Russian soldiers are guilty and must be killed without mercy."
This sort of dehumanization is not acceptable as more and more of the Russian army is filled with people being taken advantage of or being sent at gunpoint.
I'm not saying they're all innocent bystanders. There's still plenty who want to be there, for some reason or another, but, ultimately, every Russian soldier is a tool of the elites and they, no matter their citizenship, are the real enemy.
You can't really expect Ukrainians to put their emotions aside when they're being bombed on a regular basis, with routine reports of family members or friends dying to the attacks. As Zelenskyy has reasonably said, there might be a time in the future when Russians are no longer viewed the way they are, but now is not that time.
Wow, very moving. You believe this about Palestinians in their resistance against genocide at the hands of Israelis, correct?
My comment is mainly about the ways grief and loss affect people's thinking rather than how they resist, and to that extent, it doesn't matter if it's Ukrainians, Palestinians or any other people.
Not what I asked but okay. Also, your comment isn't really about grief and loss, is it? You're pretending your comment is about how the dehumanization is justified by Ukrainians, but you are dehumanizing Russians, and defending it. I saw your other comment, which is why I asked.
People deep enough in propoganda to be speaking about Ukrainians this way don't ever have the same compassion towards the Arab victims of an ongoing genocide, so I'm not very convinced.
Exactly. This "muh dehumanizing" argument is the default for anyone trying to start a flame war based on an actual war. IIRC the mods posted a zero tolerance explanation post due to the constant attempts to use bleeding hearts to mock those truly suffering in all this.
Honestly I think DB0 is being disingenuous here. The modlog shows several reinstatements and corrections for past enforcements. I doubt they even attempted to explain or apologize and went straight for trying to discredit the community in here. They are less concerned with the feelings of true victims and more their butthurt ones and so: YDI.
Honestly I think DB0 is being disingenuous here.
For showing empathy of wasted lives? Jesus christ.
Let's see how 'empathetic' you are when bombs destroy your home and kill your friends and family. It isn't even 'showing empathy'. It's feigning moral superiority while showing no empathy for the actual victims.
As we all know, db0 infamously hates Ukraine. Oh wait, .ml hates db0 for supporting Ukraine and wanting peace talks.
I'm sorry you want more death.
(he said while sipping his latte in his warm office at his powered computer completely unafraid of airplane noises outside).
Nobody 'wants' more death. Some of us, however, are smart enough to understand that it is the price required to repel evil.
Of course it's the cost to repeal evil, you don't stop Nazis with nice words. It's a shame that Ukraine has to fight for its right to exist. The cost of defense should ideally have less of Ukraian lives than Russian. Especially since Russia started the mess they can't win.
he said while sipping his latte in his warm office at his powered computer completely unafraid of airplane noises outside
I live next to an air force base, I hear them all the time. They are loud as shit and wake me every day. Let's not pretend you're also on the front lines either, no one on Lemmy is.
Yeah, but I'm also showing empathy for the right people here...
You're once again confusing empathy with sympathy
Arguing semantics will clearly win this argument, particularly when you're obviously not the expert. Also, what?
It's not semantics, it's completely different meanings that you keep conflating.
No, my stance is showing sympathy for Russian soldiers to profess your moral superiority, in a Ukrainian community, fails to show empathy for the Ukrainians who might take offense to that. Understand?
Do you understand that showing empathy for wasted lives, is not sympathizing with the cause of those lives?
Do you understand how to read the room?
The fact that the room demands fucking dehumanization is the problem. Nothing good comes from dehumanization.
Yet you're upset you were kicked out of it. Also, you're wrong. It makes it easier to do what needs to be done.
I wouldn't call me upset but that is just semantics. I'm just calling out PTBs.
It makes it easier to do what needs to be done.
The effects of your dehumanizing behaviour are leaking...
So you think Ukraine ought not defend themselves? Or should get the max PTSD while doing so?
So you think Ukraine ought not defend themselves
If this is the best retort you can come up with I think you're just looking for arguments and I'm not in the mood to enable you.
That's one way to avoid admitting you're wrong. YDI, and now we know you know why. Bye.
/disengage
On the one hand, the post is consistent with the other posts seen in the community, like the daily summaries (e.g. here) or this post saying "Russian losses surge". However, your comment was probably unnecessary and indeed contrary to the first rule ("🇺🇦 Sympathy for enemy combatants is prohibited."). There are many in Russia who sign contracts as opposed to being conscripted, and even if they get conscripted, they can refuse to serve and do time in prison, which is still the lesser evil than killing others for absolutely no reason. Moreover, if it were merely Putin's war, it wouldn't fully explain the wide support for the invasion or the mass atrocities and war crimes committed by the so-called regular soldiers. We could go into why people commit crime and how it relates to poverty and other systemic issues stemming from hierarchies of power, but the Ukraine community is not the right place for that, as the Russian problems are a remote concern compared to those of the Ukrainian people attacked by Russia.
Edit: Fixed a typo.
Sorry but saying that Russians casualties are a waste of life is not sympathy. It's humanity. This dehumanization people support is not healthy.
Edit : not to mention they could have asked me to edit instead of removing the whole post
i think not enough people understand there's a difference between empathy and sympathy. i can look at the russian soldiers and have empathy for that they are poorly educated, exist in a constant media environment that tells them that they need to be scared of all Ukrainians, and that often they are poor and desperate and think they are doing what they need just to survive.
this does not mean i sympathize with them. it just means i'm trying to take the effort to understand how a fellow human could have turned out this wrong. i largely do so to make sure i don't let the children around me become the next generation of uninformed, easily maniputed, violent masses it requires to carry out atrocity.
in case it isn't clear to anyone reading this comment,
Very well stated.
Let's reframe this entire argument from another perspective so you can maybe be a little objective:
Imagine if I posted an article/blog arguing something along the lines of 'with the land war in Iran the Israeli military losses have spiked 20%.' and concluded with “Such an absolute waste of life, just for the vanity of two men.", in r/Palestine. How much help do you think the "I'm just being careful not to dehumanize them" narrative would be? Do you think their mods would simply ask me to edit the comment?
Yes that would be the appropriate response from a mod then as well
Does Lemmy even allow community mods to remove a post, ask a question, then restore it, like on reddit? If so, yeah, I'd suggest they try that at times, but I'd view them not doing that in this scenario as an imperfection rather than a form of power abuse.
I mean, it's not exactly a critical statement, yanno? Putting a distinguished comment and waiting a few hours before removing is also an option
I think that, and even the expectation for them to do more than to remove (and let you repost with corrections), rests on the notion of your comment not being in violation of the rules, which is obviously in dispute here.
Even with rule violations, there's gradients. One can ask one to fix a mild rule violation in a nicer manner. I would know, I do it all the time.
This is a community in the spirit of "Am I The Asshole" where people can post their own bans from lemmy or reddit or whatever and get some feedback from others whether the ban was justified or not.
Sometimes one just wants to be able to challenge the arguments some mod made and this could be the place for that.
All posts should follow this basic structure:
Expect to receive feedback about your posts, they might even be negative.
Make sure you follow this instance's code of conduct. In other words we won't allow bellyaching about being sanctioned for hate speech or bigotry.
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