What exactly is the point of hoping for the US to stay when their contribution currently seems to boil down to blackmailing and threats of abandonment should shit really hit the fan? This sounds more like an abusive relationship than a defence treaty...
The hope is that this is just a temporary glitch and America will revert to what it has been for 250 years, for better or worse.
The Biden Administration, for instance, was viewed very favorably by NATO partners, and that was just two years ago.
1945 to date, not 250 years
Until WW2, USA was not a world power
The USA has been the largest economy in the world since 1870-1890. By 1913 they were more than twice the size of their nearest global rival. The USA has been a world power for a long time, they just used to be a bit more isolationist, they should go back to doing that.
America can't just go back to the way things were before Trump. Trump is a symptom of deeper systematic problems. If we try to pretend this all just goes away when he does, we're going to find ourselves right back in the same shit in a few years when the base latches on to the next psychopath.
US also needs to remember that should it choose to leave it will also need to exit all it's European bases currently occupied under the pretext of NATO.
Good luck trying to expand your global empire of regime change without European bases and or airspace.
Maybe they will stay happy in their corner of the world torturing Cuba, Venezuela and fucking with Canada with a daily threat.
Don't let the doorknob hit their ass on the way out.
Worst case scenario is Russia tries to take advantage of the situation and gets curb stomped by a NATO that is roughly 30% weaker but still more than powerful enough to handle the paper tiger that Russia has proven itself to be.
Trump is dead within a year, guaranteed. The GOP will fall to infighting after the cult of personality ends, and when the next president wants to clean up his mess and rejoin NATO, they can be allowed back in without the bullshit VETO that they for some reason have. They can return as an equal, not as a boss.
My best breakups have been when I didn't wait for the best or right time to break up. Because once you are there, even if you wait, you know it's never going to be the right time; it will only fester and fester until your entirety is gradually dragged into an existential sepsis.
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Having said that... I'm reasonably sure Europe isn't hand wringing over US staying in NATO.
I'd imagine you'd be hard pressed to find popular support for America in Europe....anywhere.
In the cabinets of diff govt. Most govt seem to like USA despite the populace not liking it
Trump can't remove us from NATO w/o the normal Congressional process.
It's good to know that Trump won't do something if he needs the permission of Congress for it first. I'm sure he follows those rules very well, and would never break them.
Speaking of that, has anyone seen the official declaration of war and authorization of military action against Iran anywhere? The Congress seems to have misplaced it somewhere. Must have gotten lost in the mail.
535 bodies in congress, somehow zero spines
Even if there were 535 body bags from the "war", you'd be hard pressed to find a spine in the US govt.
They hate kings but loooove strong presidents and a cult of personality
F-35 program needed to die anyway. Grossly expensive shared-production 'Fighter program as political tool' is overloading it to the point of making it useless. And if our adverseries learn how to systematically defeat it, we are left with an entirely useless coalition air force. Better to have diversity.
I hope America leaves, next 9/11 no one will be obliged to help them out.
No american NATO? I was calling for it way back when trump was doing the greenland threats
Baby Trump is furious.
If America is going to be unreliable, why not put them on a time out? But why stop there?
What would happen if we changed the UN by taking away voting rights from the bully nations of US, Israel, and Russia, and any other warmongering bastards. The coalition of the middle powers that Canada called for earlier this year could take form if the larger countries lacked voting rights in the UN.
The theory behind removing large powers from voting rights is to force those countries to choose between expressing their international powers via force OR via the vote. No longer can we allow nations to have both.
So if Russia wants to invade Ukraine, it loses its right to vote in the UN until they get the fuck out and stop killing people. Same thing with Israel and America, up and down the Middle East...and the rest of the globe.
Put an international cost on this bullshit, because these fascists will not like what might pass when it's not there to veto it.
At this point, I don't blame them for not WANTING to keep us
Yup. I'm from Poland and I am more worried that the US would pull us into WW3 than I am worried about Russia.
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