Reddit has a perverse incentive to keep the user base frothing for engagement
There is no such incentive on Lemmy. We are toxic because we choose to be. All natural, free range, grassroots haters
The Lemmy userbase is human, which is more than I can say of Reddit's.
The bots are showing up heavy in the last few days. It annoys me greatly since it dilutes the quality posts in my feed that generate discussion. It's a bunch of shitty memes and cartoons and it's awful.
Good thing we can just block it and get our feed back.
While reddit does have a not problem there are loads of people, people who LARP being some minority, and people posting thinly veiled fetish content on e.g. AITA. But bots certainly make up a higher percentage over there.
Here we got tankies, blind hate for anything done by america and lack of nuance. But the latter is just common.
No, they’re not. The hivemind isn’t as bad. But there’s brigading of sorts, plenty of trolls, circlejerking, bad mods, and bad faith arguing.
I mean, that’s pretty much the internet in general, just reddit’s got much more of it by the numbers.
Not true for me.
I made a joke, and someone got upset. I explained that I didn’t mean it seriously and apologized. Then they told me they were in a bad mood and apologized for their reaction.
I left reddit because they had an IPO, not because of the people.
Most people are here because we were perma-banned from reddit. So basically all the worst people from Reddit come here 😄
I was just suspended, but it pissed me off enough to switch platforms. This place is great once you block News.
I don't know why one would expect Lemmy to be different when it's entire userbase consists of ex-redditors.
I don't think there's much difference between platforms. Everyone is performing to either get pats on the back or to stirr up something. The moment everyone around you seems nice is when you've entered the echo chamber.
Idk I kinda like it here. Everybody uses linux in this place.
Some people over here can’t understand that sensitive questions can be asked without bad intent.
This just screams mott and bailey fallacy. It is very reminiscent, for example, of transphobes complaining that they get attacked for having the gall of claiming "sex is real". And that's basically what happened here. You said some upsetting shitty things in the thread about the two child policy, and now you're whining about people getting upset about it. Go touch some grass.
I accidentally posted a link to some right wing borderline racist article which sounded sensible on first skim reading it. Commentators noted this. I apologized for not reading it carefully or noticing the other associated articles and the other Lemmy users were understanding. Just my experience but I think a nicer atmosphere prevails.
I'm sure it's already been said a few times, but with few exceptions Lemmy/mbin/etc. users ARE redditors, or recently former redditors who, for historical and practical reasons, are more likely to be interested in
While that applies to me to varying degrees, I must acknowledge that it means we're probably sometimes going to be difficult and slow to assume good faith. I try not to be that way, it's the only thing I can do. I think the left wing politics/parapolitics is better than the usual right wing variety that was common on other reddit alternatives, but that's my bias.
People are people, wherever you go. People are flawed. There are many good reasons to leave reddit for lemmy.
It’s really cool how you can get downvoted here for saying genocide is bad.
I dont know. Not that Lemmy users are necessarily great all the time, but Reddit has decayed to the point that its barely better than a generic Facebook feed.
reddits is dead internet theory come true, mostly run by propaganda bots(russia, israel, and PALINTIR). OF spammers, link/url.ad spammers. FACEBOOK is what reddit will become eventually.
Excellent unpopular opinion that I disagree with! Good post for here :3
On Reddit, I was CONSTANTLY annoyed in every thread.
Award edits: annoying.
Talking about awards and upvotes: annoying.
Spamming subreddits as hashtags: annoying. Rehashing the same phrase/joke over and over again: annoying.
Fake stories in all top subreddits in /all/ used as creative writing before LLMs made even being CREATIVE obsolete yet the site was clogged with bullshit and hundreds (if not thousands) of people responding as if the stories are real: annoying.
(More recently, as of when I left Reddit when the API change was made) Majority of people bots or astroturfers/shills/etc: annoying.
I constantly was shitting in comments and people on Reddit because so many comments were just… so… horribly… stupid! Asinine! Coming from a history of communities of folks that, while being overtly overwhelmingly dumb/offensive, were at least original or creative (IRC/Usenet/LUE/SA/b/specific forums) in their commenting and posts, near the end of Reddit’s life I felt like I had to dig through more oceans of shit to find a tiny gold nugget than I did when I was heavy into /b/ in the early-to-mid 2000s.
I find that Lemmy threads have an expectantly smaller quantity of idiots, rehashed ‘clever’ one-liners in every thread, ‘creative’ writing that isn’t creative in the slightest, and overall garbage commenters. Better shitposters, more furries, better grammar, and more organic stuff overall.
That’s my opinion, anyway. Your post has a lot of downvotes for a “popular” “unpopular opinion” post here which tells me you’ve posted a good one hahaha. I do agree with some of what you’ve said—I’d like some places I can post and read some more crunchy-ass shit. Not stuff like being racist “as a joke”, but with the way the fediverse is, I’d like some NSFL stuff and places where people can be free to be more crude or whatnot. Lemmy is very “safe”, which is healthy for a lot of folks. Overall though, I’ll take “safe” over “enragingly annoying everywhere” hahaha
I'm agreeing more with this every day. Just yesterday some guy made fun of a genuine and reasonable concern I had then made of me again sandwiching in an "apology", and when I told them it still seemed they were making light of it, they flipped the fuck out and told me I would die alone among other completely unnecessary and inappropriate insults.
I mean, I get overreacting sometimes, but it kinda feels like some days half the people you interact with are either actively shit humans or are having the worst day of their lives. I wish you could feel at least safe enough to challenge a viewpoint without some dickhead coming for your jugular. It's pretty pathetic and I've gone through several rounds of wondering if I want to be here or not. I've definitely had to block a lot of people in order to stay.
I have been called a Nazi and zionist for literally no reason. Once I responded to a comment from someone saying Nazis aren't human to say "I hate the things they believe and do, and I think they should be punished harshly for their crimes, but they are still indeed human". You would've thought I said "Nazis just have an opinion and do nothing wrong," which of course I was not even slightly hinting at or thinking. I was told I was a Nazi sympathizer who should kill himself. Then the zionist accusations will come at the drop of a hat. I literally think Israel is evil yet if I say something as innocuous as "trump is hurting Gaza even more than any Democrat" that makes me a "sHiTlIb zIoNiSt". I'm probably in the left-most 15% in the US. And yeah I know that's not saying much globally but how about we understand that people live in a context and you cannot scream them into being on the exact same page as your own personal politics? People can be so self righteous it's painful to think about. It's really taxing to my mental health when I think "this space where I relate to people more than anywhere else on the Internet is also full of people who will wish death or suffering on me if I mention one thing they don't like."
I feel much the same way. In the past 48 hours I have been called a pro-genocide fascist and Blue MAGA, amongst other similar things, for 1. making a comment about the aggressive behavior of Grad users and how similar it can be to 4chan users aka those who fell into the MAGA pipeline, and 2. explaining to somebody why somebody else asked them who they voted for when they made a comment to the extent of "both sides support genocide."
I came here to find a new egg_irl and traaaa, and what I've gotten is politics and leftist infighting.
I’m beginning to think half of these people are foreign bad actors, come across from Reddit et al ironically enough.
They’re my only complaint with this place. They’re so irrational you have to wonder how they get by daily and the conversations are always pushed the same way; once the accusations of Zionism and genocide supporter run out of steam, they move to attempting quotes you never made or deliberate attempts to confuse the conversation.
For the genuine ones among them, I think there’s a bit of cope because they’ve realised they’ve been played at the top political level and used, now their ego won’t let them admit that.
They’re not worth engaging with. These are at an honest level, pedophile and genocide enablers and at the dishonest one, bad actors working for the interests they project. I think that’s a lesson a few of us need to learn here.
I left reddit because of them imposing their cronenbergian UX on me.
I'd say its worse, because a lot of the chill niches have not migrated over.
Going off track... the best feature here is that you can block users. Catch about 10 "big fish" and you'll find that it's much more normal around here. 0.1% of users create 90% of the drama and squabbling.
ffs, Lemmy's strength is in it's decentralised non corpo design, not that we users are a better quality of human. It went from Usenet, to the centralised shitiness of Reddit back to a decentralised system in Lemmy/Piefed more akin to Usenet
but, I'd also argue just by being here you're a better person.
but, I'd also argue just by being here you're a better person
Look, Lemmy is a little better than other social media. But, that's taking it a bit too far. What social media a person uses says very little about their morals.
What social media a person uses says very little about their morals.
Yes. Obviously their choices of operating systems and text editors are the largest factors.
The difference is that you can curate the people you associate with. Find an instance whose values represent your own, or run your own, and you can avoid the people who you find the worst. You can't do this in reddit as anyone can join and you have no chance to prevent yourself from interacting with chuds.
Reddit's problem is not the userbase, nor is Lemmy's problem tankies -- even though those are the memes we like to spread here. Reddit's problem is its design, that is meant to keep you occupied in their site forever.
Unfortunately, Lemmy has inherited a part of that design, but fortunately not all of it.
tankies, and conservatives, especially anything support russia, israel and the CCP. i block these accounts, and any account that calls out people for erroneous anti-semitism, when its not. PLUS people who make judgy comments, or "actually" responses followed by a personal attack too, my favorite is almost always things involving christianity. still significantly better than reddit, since you will be bombarded by bots, or propaganda accounts to. or they have people brigading you.
Lemmy is filled with people who are too principled and too adamant about their stance to use Reddit because of the enshittification. If you put a bunch of highly opinionated and stubborn people in one place, you get this.
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