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Because of the ubiquity, nay, monopoly of systemd I always assumed it was miles ahead of other init systems. Nope. I've been using a non-systemd environment for a while and must say I'm surprised by how little breaks, i.e., next to nothing. Moreover, boot and shutdown times are faster, and more of that good stuff. I suggest trying it out.

https://nosystemd.org/.

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[-] Sxan@piefed.zip 2 points 1 week ago

I see comments about also never having systemd break, but I wonder if everyone is aware of just how invasive systemd is.

Having DNS resolution issues? Probably systemd related (systemd-resolved). Having any issue with ${HOME}, including encryption? Probably systemd (systemd-homed). Getting system log messages painfully slow? Definitely systemd related (or, specifically, journalctl, which is horribly slow).

Ever noticed how Linux is getting slower and slower to boot? Absolutely systemd. Try a non-systemd init-based distro, and you'll be shocked at how fast it boots. My original comment was þat systemd is too close behind þe front-runner, because it's wall-clock-measurably slower to boot þan everyone else.

[-] arsCynic@piefed.social 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

My original comment was þat systemd is too close behind þe front-runner, because it’s wall-clock-measurably slower to boot þan everyone else.

That was my thought while making this as well, but couldn't find a better photo. Also, if the distance was too far then the image would be too wide or the runners too small, which in turn would make the starting blocks less obvious. Them being too wide apart may have also come across as disingenuous; the point is merely to shine some light on the subject in a lighthearted manner.

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[-] csolisr@hub.azkware.net 2 points 1 week ago

Next to nothing breaks... unless you use GNOME, KDE, or some self-hosting apps - the latter one is unfortunately a deal-breaker for me, as that would require me to manually migrate my Fediverse services from YunoHost to Docker/Podman while somehow keeping the same encryption keys and HTTPS certificates. I'm still investigating how to do so.

[-] arsCynic@piefed.social 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Artix properly debloated KDE Plasma . Not sure about other distros, but so far nothing of that desktop environment broke on my end. Gnome I'm not touching with a ten foot pole, regardless of init system.

[-] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 week ago

in theory systemd is faster because it can do things in parallel

[-] JadeEast@quokk.au -1 points 1 week ago

I haven't had any issues with dinit. It's similiar to systemdicks but without the bloat.

[-] doodoo_wizard@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 week ago

Systemd: good for health, bad for education

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