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More people do X makes X more done.

why does it fail so horribly for X = protecting a secret? or does it?

(I'm not 3, by the way...)

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[-] Hegar@fedia.io 7 points 1 week ago

This could be a fun riddle:

What's harder to protect the more protectors it has? A secret.

[-] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

They're not protecting 'a' secret. They're protecting their copy of the secret.

So while you get X more work, you get X more copies to protect. So you're actually losing ground.

[-] netvor@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

my favorite answer so far. it is exactly what i meant but i did not realize that it being the same secret (which is technically just half implied by the grammar i think) is what breaks the dynamics.

if it's 1000 different secrets, then it kind of works but only if the guesser knows/assumes the distribution is uniform. (if it's the same secret then the guesser knows it's the same secret then that's the extreme, maybe a "degenerate" case, like having 1000 doors to one bank.)

You're getting near a description of Merkle's Puzzles, one of the earlier versions of public key cryptography. If you like thinking about this stuff I think it's a fun read.

[-] Little_mouse@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 week ago

More people or things contributing to a goal does not always add more security/efficiency/capability to achieve said goal.

A classic example is a length of chain.

The more individual links, the more weight the chain as a whole needs to be able to carry.

Each link needs to be able to support the weight of the load and the weight of the entire length of the chain.

More links also introduces more opportunities for links with failure points to be included.

[-] CombatWombat@feddit.online 3 points 1 week ago

Three can keep a secret if two are dead.

[-] blipcast@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

Secrets stay safe in spite of people knowing them, not the other way around. It's like saying, "More holes make the ship more boyant"

[-] owenfromcanada@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 week ago

More people do X makes X more done

This is a general trend, but like in the case you noted, doesn't always hold.

Another example: if one woman can have one baby in nine months, how long does it take nine women to have one baby?

[-] svc@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 1 points 1 week ago

Just split the secret so no one knows the full secret. Then it's more protected.

https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Shamir%27s_secret_sharing

The more people that know a secret, the less secure it is.

If you and you alone know a secret and I need to get it out of you, I only have one chance. If you and a thousand people know the secret, I have a thousand and one chances of forcing the secret out of someone. The more people, the more weak spots and potential holes.

[-] Shindo66@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

There is something to be said about institutions though. When more people are part of what seems to be an upstanding institution, the more they are inclined to protect the secret in order to protect the institution and its reputation. There are a lot of examples of this. For instance the catholic church, penn state, the trump oligarchy, nasa....

[-] HeHoXa@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 week ago

In a sense, more people working towards secret protection generally did result in better secret protection, like encryption algorithms and secure architecture and whatnot.

It only starts to become a paradox when you get into actually executing the task of protecting a specific secret... but I think we could draw that line somewhere for almost any task.

There is a point of generality where more people means better results and a point of specificity where you only want the exact right number of people.

[-] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 week ago

Counterpoint: Put the secrets in a physical file in a room that only a few authorized can enter, the people protecting it stand outside and shoot any unauthorized entrants.

Have problems you need solved?

Guns, lots of them

(And a nuke just in case)

:P

[-] PiraHxCx@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 week ago

If the secret is in a room and those people are standing in front of it with guns to not let others reach it...

[-] netvor@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

and they don't know the secret

and they don't know the secret is there

and they have many a gun each

-> perfect secret security

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