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If all the money ends up in hands of billionaires and their corporations and there will be no money in hands of regular plebs...
Who do you think will have to pay the taxes? Also, the people would figure out a different way of trading or currency. And with that one getting taxed, all the billionaire's money become worthless.

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[-] ExtremeDullard@piefed.social 4 points 1 week ago

Then the plebs reach for the scythes and the machetes.

That's why the billionaires steal as much money as they can, but stop short of making a critical mass of people desperately poor: they keep most people poor enough that they try to fight for what little they have left, and between themselves for the scraps, instead of uniting and rising up against the kleptocrats who engineer their poverty.

[-] coyootje@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

We're slowly getting to the point where they're get too greedy and moving past that critical mass point. I think Trumps presidency really turbo charged the idiocy.

[-] rayyy@piefed.social 1 points 1 week ago

The billionaires are so out of touch that they have no idea how desperate the masses are becoming.

[-] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

You're talking as if the billionaires are a group of organized people who know what they're doing and act accordingly in a coordinated way.

I think the billionaires are a group of individuals, each trying to maximize their wealth, and they will absolutely take what they can get, because if they don't, some other billionaire will take it.

And i see no evidence that they would stop short of causing mass poverty that will lead to riots.

[-] ExtremeDullard@piefed.social 1 points 1 week ago

The billionaires are not following a nefarious master plan that they agreed upon. They appear coordinated because they all act the same way, all mindlessly following the same instinct of greed that's programmed in their genes. Just like bees or ants appear to work as a team, when in reality they're all following the same simplistic automatic behavior.

[-] Triasha@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

The majority population falls into progressively more desperate poverty. Work hours are extended for less and less personal gain and greater risk of injury, disease, and disability. Recreation, autonomy, and actualization become ever more out of reach.

[-] antlion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 week ago

It started in 1971 and it’s still running its course. So, look around I guess. If we don’t do anything in another 20 years it won’t be possible to own a home for anybody. We will all be severely restricted on what we can eat and how we can travel. Everything you buy will be disposable garbage that makes you sick and needs replacement often.

[-] wewbull@feddit.uk 1 points 1 week ago

"All the money" assumes there's a finite amount of money. There isn't. In a fiat currency, like the Dollar, Euro or Sterling, banks create money when they lend, and the money disappears again when the loan is repaid. This is what a banking license gives you; The ability to make loans without having the existing money to back them.

Government spends by telling it's bank (The Federal Reserve, ECB or BoE) to lend money for the things it wants to buy. Taxes then repay that debt and the money doesn't exist anymore.

In an economy where huge amounts of wealth is horded, there's a problem of liquidity. All of that wealth is idle. It's not circulating and there becomes a danger of economic collapse. Therefore more money has to enter the system, either through government spending or commercial banks making loans.

Horded money is also money that isn't going back to banks to repay the lending. So the amount of money in existence goes up, driving the value of that money down. This is inflation. One dollar can no longer buy as much as it used to as it's value has gone down.

So, billionaires cause:

  • Large amounts of commercial debt to inject replacement money into the economy. That is, personal debt or corporate debt.
  • Inflation caused by that cash injection

Sound familiar?

Now a government could choose to raise its spending so that it injects the required money into its economy, rather commercial banks doing it. The advantage of that is that they can balance that with raised taxes, so inflation doesn't get out of control. They can also choose who to tax and protect areas of the economy.

Most governments don't see it this way, arguing that they can only spend what they take in taxes (The "government spending is like a household budget" argument). This has been false ever since they all came off the gold standard. They can spend what they want and they can tax what they want. The difference will drive inflation, so has to be kept reasonable, but if they don't spend enough the commercial banks take over and will absolutely drive inflation.

[-] schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 1 week ago

I have read about these ideas about money being created through loans before, but also read contradictory ideas.

Since you seem to know a lot about the subject, would you happen to know of materials where I can learn more about the topic?

[-] wewbull@feddit.uk 1 points 1 week ago

So these ideas are the basis of modern monetary theory (MMT) i.e. the theory of modern money, not that it's a modern theory of money. There's nothing very controversial here, in that the "theory" is just a description of how things work when you have a fiat currency. The controversial parts are what you do in your fiscal policy once you think about things this way.

Stephanie Kelton is a vocal proponent of this style of framing. She's been an economic advisor to Bernie Sanders and is the author of "The Deficit Myth" which explains these concepts. She also gave a TED talk on the concepts.

Richard Murphy is a UK proponent who writes a blog and has a YouTube channel where he explains the concepts.

There are others, but these two are a good way in. Searching for them, and also the the phrase "Modern Monetary Theory" should get you lots of talks, interviews and articles on both sides of the arguments.

[-] khanh@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 week ago

we all rot as they continue eating steak

[-] FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 week ago

I recommend the episode of Recess where they use monstickers as currency. In this episode, TJ finds ways to amass all the monstickers and make everyone else destitute. It occurred to me while watching the episode that all the other kids have to do is stop requiring each other to pay for stuff with monstickers, since nobody has them anymore. And then it occurred to me, why can't we do that in real life? Why can't society just collectively realize this whole money thing doesn't work if a few people are hoarding it all and just come up with a new system? Instead people are being deprived of basic needs because of this stupid imaginary system

[-] BussyCat@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Because the people with the money also control the physical goods, how are you going to acquire food and shelter without money? and then while you may accept small amounts of bartering you will need some amount of money to continue purchasing food and shelter

[-] GladiusB@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

This is a United States issue. Other countries have this under better wraps.

[-] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 week ago

Usually happens coincidentally to them being in charge. Pray you can offer value to them, is normal advice (given by the oligarchy).

[-] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

on the flip side, it usually happens just before the aristocracy is strung up in the streets and flayed open to send a message.

that message?

"do not forget there are more of us than there are of you."

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