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submitted 1 month ago by Bad@jlai.lu to c/comicstrips@lemmy.world

[green, speaking, looking smug]
Okay, hear me out, here's the plan…
We go full apathy, basically we let capitalism fully spiral out into fascism. Once it's done, people will rise up and the system will collapse under its own weight. From its ashes, with our help, a better society will rise. This is how we win.

[we now see that green is tied up in front of a bleak wall, along with a group of other people, being aimed at by a firing squad of characters in fascist uniforms]
[green, smiling] OK?
[blue, pissed] Dude…

https://thebad.website/comic/accelerationism

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[-] Riverside@reddthat.com 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

This is kinda mostly a strawman though, no serious political movement advocates for accelerationism, it's just a strawman used against people further to the left than oneself.

There are a few weird fringe cults who are accelerationist like Posadists (who believe nuclear war or aliens will bring communism), but it's not by any means a position that holds a good footing in any serious political project.

The strawman often takes claims like "there is not a big practical difference between these two political parties" and twists them into "I would rather have the worse party win". Also takes descriptive statements like "people usually revolt when hungry" and attributes an intentionality to them, like "I wish more people would go hungry so that they starve more", as if making an observation about the nature of protest and revolt implied supporting the conditions that create it.

[-] sobchak@programming.dev 5 points 1 month ago

A lot of the far right is accelerationist. They've been hoping for a "race war" for many decades. Then there is the newer Effective Accelerationism/Network State/Dark Enlightenment stuff that the ultra wealthy seem to be into.

[-] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Wow.....a race war would not go well for the far right.

When I hear "far right", I think of middle aged angry white guys. We already HAD that war! At least in the united states....it was in the 1800s, and it did not go well for those who supported racial discrimination.

And that's underselling the whole thing quite a bit.

[-] Pman@lemmy.org 2 points 1 month ago

Yes and no, the confederates lost the war but their whitewashing of history has quite a bit of staying power to the point that states like West Virginia and Ohio who had massively supported the Union in the Civil War are now more likely neo confederates and agree with the south take on "the war of northern aggression" which they started by attacking federal forces and raiding federal weapons depots while backing out of the federal government allowing it to pass a law they cite as the reason they backed out of it, rather than it being able to pass because they backed out. Also the war still left separate but equal and racial discrimination on the books and the last chattel slave in the US was freed during world war 2. So what the south (Pro-confederate states) and Americans who swallowed their propaganda learned was that fighting a war without seeding the ground everywhere first with their point of view and taking over things from the inside, like they did under Wilson, arguably the worst US president of the 20th century, and Trump just took that playbook and took it farther than the public was ready for but still pushed and those special interest groups that supported him had the choice to renounce him and be reviled by both major political wings of the US or back him to the hilt while he destroys the US from within, because if you can't get everything you want at least you can make sure nobody else gets anything either.

[-] finallymadeanaccount@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

people will rise up

The line in the sand as to what's acceptable has been redrawn so many times, if the people haven't risen up by now, they never will. You're stuck with the rancid orange colostomy bag until he either pops his clogs, or chooses to leave.

[-] DrDickHandler@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Nope. Fascism is there to stay for the next decade regardless of what happens to Trump.

[-] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Literally Ernst Thälmann. He said to let the Nazis take power, and then the whole world will see how incompetent they are, and then his communist party will surely rise up! But there are no prizes for guessing what happened to him in the end!

[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The candidate the social democrats wanted won and he's the guy who appointed Hitler chancellor! There was a three way race between "literally Hitler," "guy who will put Hitler into a position of power" and "not Hitler" (Thälmann) and somehow libs are still mad that "not Hitler" was on the ballot.

The social democrats were the ones with the brilliant plan of punching left in favor of a "center"-right coalition, and they actually won and got what they wanted and wound up in the camps as a direct result of it!

No prizes for guessing what happens when you trust the bourgeois parties to be an ally against fascism.

[-] Butterphinger@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 month ago

Capitalists: take notes on what the Nazis did wrong and tiptoe around it

[-] RedFrank24@piefed.social 6 points 1 month ago

Accelerationism isn't just being apathetic, it's actively making things worse. It's voting for Trump because the DNC didn't elect Bernie Sanders.

Lenin was much the same. He knew a revolution wouldn't happen if things got better, so he did everything he could to make things as bad as humanly possible. When the provisional government came along, granted free speech rights and universal suffrage, Lenin was vehemently opposed to it, because you can't have a communist revolution when stuff is going well. A stable government is not one you can overthrow.

[-] silverneedle@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

A stable government is not one you can overthrow.

Governments (nations) are in their nature not stable. Governments can be overthrown at any moment. It is a question of how many are willing to participate, which is not that many.

because you can’t have a communist revolution when stuff is going well

Not Lenin's reasoning, nor is it as a statement true. Revolutions have happened exactly at points where things were looking up, take the transitions that have happened in history where monarchies were superseded by the liberal state. It is not a cyclical trend where, oh no, we have some sort of downtrend in productivity or some other sort of crisis and then the magical revolution comes to save the day. Revolutions happen because systems are forced to adopt organisational structures that satisfy (novel) needs, not because of shittiness.

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[-] socsa@piefed.social 1 points 1 month ago

This isn't even the stupidest point of accelerationism. That's the assumption that your personal utopia will emerge from the ashes, instead of something much worse.

The simple fact of the matter is that there is no path to "perfect" which doesn't track through an infinite amount of "better" first.

[-] morto@piefed.social 6 points 1 month ago
[-] PrimeMinisterKeyes@leminal.space 5 points 1 month ago

Or this one:

[-] benjirenji@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 month ago

I don't think utopias are a bad idea in general, but if they somehow are only reachable by collapsing most of the current system before any groundwork can even be attempted... a form that can be developed in parallel and take over at some point makes much more sense.

Think about the transition and hopefully it doesn't require nuclear war.

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[-] hiawatha98@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago
[-] AeonFelis@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Okay, but capitalism dystopia is not going to look like that. In real capitalism, that wall will be covered in advertisements and motivation posters.

[-] altkey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 month ago

Me and who 😳

get shot rearing an ad for Amazon(tm) Bezz-box(r) rented apartments on Mars.

[-] Formfiller@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

After WW2 65 million people were dead and 50% of the boys and men in Germany were dead. Everyone loses with fascism

[-] AlbynRailroad@fedinsfw.app 0 points 1 month ago

The real solution btw is just a better consensus mechanism in our electoral process in the form of STAR Voting.
It is quite literally that simple.
The lack of choice (as explained in Duverger's Law) is what kills our politics and helps the media portray all political battles as us vs them and not "What shade out of a million shades of gray should this policy be?".

tl;dr - STAR Voting is quite literally a panacea for nearly all the extreme ills that plague our politics - even a large portion of "voting doesn't matter so I won't" apathy....because to vote "strategically" under STAR Voting is to just vote honestly and every vote matters. No revolution required - just a better electoral process. I'm happy to answer any questions.

[-] stickyprimer@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

Someone do a version of the comic with this guy’s comment as the text of the first panel, please.

[-] AlbynRailroad@fedinsfw.app 1 points 1 month ago

Hah! Well I took the comic to mean that the accelerationist gets exactly what he wanted and pays for it in the end when things go to hell.
Thing is if we implemented what I'm talking about (which is literally just a law about how we vote...we already have legislation that does this...we just amend it) there would be no upheaval.
The electorate would vote more honestly.
Campaigns would become more positive.
News media would become more policy focused.
There would be no firing squad - just a return to normal policy-focused (not party-focused) politics.
It would actually be quite boring.

[-] stickyprimer@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

First time?

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[-] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 0 points 1 month ago

What accerationists don't realise is that the average liberal already knows the US is fascist and evil billionaires control everything. That average liberal wants change. But they aren't doing anything, because they're thinking "surely when it gets REALLY bad, people will rise up". Just like the accelerationists. Accelerationists and liberals are the same group.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

average liberal already knows the US is fascist

No. They always think the current moment is the exception and everything way very respectable and dignified historically.

That's why you've got liberals venerating Reagan, Clinton, and Bush, having completely whitewashed the horror of those presidencial eras from their minds.

[-] SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world 0 points 1 month ago

I don’t think you can find a liberal who thinks the Reagan or Bush presidencies were anything but bad.

[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 month ago

I don’t think people get that this difference makes a difference. As a millennial going through college during the GW Bush years, there was at least a Republican party that cared about America, cared about non political government institutions and the service those members participate in, etc. Since the tea party that shit changed. And I don’t think it’s hard to believe Mitt Romney actually cares about this country and means what he says on this thing. I feel disgusted defending Romney, but I kind of miss it when it was guys like Romney were the political opponents in power and not these MAGA folks hellbent on destroying democracy and politicizing the institutions critical to America.

I just found 96 liberals who fit that description.

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[-] lovingisliving@anarchist.nexus 0 points 1 month ago

There's also climate accelerationism, which is least logically sound. If humans wipe themselves out, then the problem will be solved.

[-] doughless@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

Potentially at the expense of all non-microbial life.

[-] lovingisliving@anarchist.nexus 0 points 1 month ago

True, but that is part of the natural order. At the end of the day, humans are just another parasitic and unchecked species that is probably going to learn about their own environmental limits the hard way.

[-] lugal@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago

The problem is capitalism. Don't make it about humans as a species when there are countless counter examples we can learn from

[-] ripcord@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

The problem is about greed and corruption. Communism doesn't fix that.

[-] lugal@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 month ago

The problem is about greed and corruption.

And a culture that reinforces it.

Communism doesn't fix that.

If you are talking about Bolshevism, I agree.

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