having any user named "Murder all "

Then you ban the single user (who is an admin on the instance and used bad phrasing, changed it and stepped down just to note), not defederate the instance, contact them using available channels you are aware of (matrix) given its an admin, and address.

That said - it wasn't Ruud, it was MrKaplan who did this action. Without input. Who also called it a direct call for his own murder (which is an insane leap).

Also, let's be a bit more honest here - .world has found whatever reason they could over the past few years to defed from dbzer0 and now related instances such as anarchist.nexus. Federation gets started right back up as soon as thebadmin actions get called out by users.

Let's also be more honest here and point out that .world pushed a "teach the controversy" rule that would have explicitly allowed this sort of speech (and speech that would have been so much worse).

But!

But he HAS to follow his country's laws or there will be no services.

This is not remotely what happened, so let's not play pretend and suggest it was.

Lemmy.world is run by Ruud, a man that lives in the Netherlands. He does not have the same legal protections as say Reddit.

Bullshit. Nobody is going to have legal issue in a niche platform with anonymous users.

I have no problem with removing the user advocating for killing all zionists but the lemmy.world has been openly defending one of the worst zionist who say palestinians was not forced to leave during the nekba

The brilliance of the Fediverse, as you realize because you've posted this on Piefed, anyone can create a server and build their own connections

We don't want echochambers and we don't want objectively wrong and disgusting content to be allowed either. The fediverse has the same problem as centralized platfoms instead of most people using only the most popular centralized , on the fediverse most gravitate to big instances. The fediverse lack tools to move content from one instance to another, even if someone want to escape from lemmy.world , he can't because it don't want to lose hia community followers

spelling and grammar errors

This is an Ad Hominem attack. Spelling and grammatical do not make an argument irrelevant

An authentic place to truly discuss matters sounds fantastic, but when one side calls for the actual irl murder of the other,

The problem is not that they are banning people callingfor murdering people including people who believe in dangerous ideologies, as long as they don't get involved in direct violence they shouldn't be attacked.

The problem is that lemmy.world allow misinformation from Zionists on their instance which is against world own TOS like claiming most Palestinians left willingfully during the nekba which is denying the fact that Palestinian was ethnically cleansed from their land

Yes, it is.

When pressed to provide evidence of lemmy.world's Zionism they can't. When shown piefed.social's pro-palestinian history, they just double down.

This is all bullshit.

This whole thing has been quite out in the public so there's bound to be waves of even more public reactions as new people come across it.

Not electoralism. /0 is an outreach instance, so we allow space for discussion. Some specific anarchist comms have hard anti-electoralist rules to prevent constant arguments, but it's not an instance-wide rule.

I just want to point out that you are calling a blog and patreon link on it a "store".

Talk about weird.

They are very pro-AI and remove comments critical of it swiftly and without explanation.

This is explained as part of the instance rules. I'd recommend reading them.

The head scratcher for me is this entire comment by you.

I've noticed this a lot, people randomly accusing anything leftist of being a psyop because it doesn't fit their right wing view of the world.

Like this is such a completely bullshit claim, there is no store on dbzer0, it's literally just a programmers blog with some random projects they've done.

I’m saying that your claims about .dbzer0 are inherently false.

I’m not well versed in history, i just know that they wanted a country to protect themselve from violence, that’s their narrative. And it turned into something terrible, we have the right to critizism zionism.

Israel has Herzl, the father of political Zionism, as the spiritual father of the State of Israel. In his writing, he advocated for removing Arabs from the land to create the state; that is ethnic cleansing. Zionism is a supremacist and genocidal ideology; there is no justification for it. Original leaders like Ben-Gurion also said the partition would be temporary and once they got enough power they would abolish it and expand to all of Palestine. So it didn't "turn wrong"; it was always the plan to do the Nakba.

Those words described very well the horror in Gaza. I don’t think the current genocide can be solved through peaceful means except if they remove Israel government. Israel wouldn’t continue if it wasn’t backed by USA and european countries. So i understand why we may use them.

Every government supported colonialism, so the problem is the ideology running the State of Israel.

Calling to “murder ” won’t solve anything there. And it will backfire against us, it is condemned by most countries’s laws. When we are part of the moderation, we can face legal issue : being in prison or close our instance…

I agree

So, there is no right answer. MrKaplan did what is seemed right... But we work together against racism, transphobia, violent word, spam, ia…

The problem is that Lemmy.world and Lemmy generally allow Zionismwhich is a racist supremacist ideology to spread. So no, not everybody is working together against what you mentioned. Not to mention lemmy.ml supports Russian aggression.

I don’t think the solution lie in defederation or stirring a conflict between us : mods, admins, developpers and instances. We have to work together somehow while keeping in mind the paradox of intolerance

Well, dbzero mods talk about defederating only if lemmy.world does it first.

Lastly, you can chose your favorite community and instance. The one that fit you the most.

I think spreading dangerous ideologies is too serious to simply move on from the topic and pick a different instance.

We can continue to critize Israel. But please, keep in mind that we can’t change the current events, we are not part of our government. It will work better in association, NGO than in the fediverse

We can’t change the current events, but we need to learn from history. People mention Zionist atrocities because the same atrocities never stopped to this day. I think "criticize" is a weak word; it's more like condemning Israel's colonial policies and acting against them.

We can act, organize strikes, support palestinian, send letters to our governments, repel far right and imperialism…and maybe the government will change. That’s all we can do.

We can all do this and still not let Zionists get away with propaganda. We don't want the Fediverse to become Twitter.

The threadiverse is already a small community. What would happen if we defederate from X instance ? (For Hexbear, that’s another problem.) Most users will leave and I’m not talking about us.

Partially true, particularly in the direction of defederation from LW that has something like 40% of Threadiverse users and iirc still the majority of the most highly active communities. But I want to point out the converse point that people (especially mainstream non-technical normal folks) are also leaving, citing as their reason why all the calls that they see for actual, irl murder of people. You said it yourself, Hexbear is a whole other problem, besides defederation from LW. So not defederating from instances (such as AN?) that ignores the considerations of the wider Fediverse is an even more destructive act than retaining federation.

Thus it is a balancing act, as the Paradox of Intolerance guides us: we want the absolute highest, maximum diversity of opinions, while stopping short of inclusion of those offerred in bad faith. And saying that you want to murder your debate opponent, rather than use your words to espouse the higher principles of your ideals and thereby potentially win the debate, as opposed to merely vomiting ones feelings upon the Fediverse community, especially against its wishes, definitely sounds to me like the epitome if bad faith? AN is entirely free to put out calls for actual, irl murder of the entire families of a fellow instance's admin teams if they wish, but in that case why should the recipient instances be forced into platforming those, rather than be free to block them?

I don't want yet another Hexbear in my feed, and I am tired of people telling me that I simply must put up with all the "free speech" that whoever - Elon Musk, Steve Huffman, Donald Trump, or whoever - wants to put in front of my eyes. It is not "unfair" to enforce previously announced rules - and calling for the actual irl murder of people seems to me to fall into that category?

I also note that PieFed offers the ability for a user to block an entire instance, whereas its technologically less-capable elder cousin Lemmy cannot keep up, thus necessitating full instance defederation not as the only possible option, but as the only one that the Lemmy software deigns to provide to new, non-technical normal people who want to view the Threadiverse, especially without an account, or soon thereafter before they learn to ignore all the toxicity coming from "certain instances". This is precisely what the Paradox of Intolerance tells us (among other things): that their messages (calls for murder) get counted as our messages, when someone does not know how to tell the difference.