On those posts about people complaining (mostly in c/unpopularopinion) that lemmy isnβt all that different from reddit, instance infighting is one truly unique thing from the fediverse.
On the bright side, none of the instance owners have the kind of monopolistic power Reddit has.
Plus, unlike the average Redditor, the average Lemming has already switched platforms at least once and is a lot more ready to switch again.
Ya, the tribalism is much more intense, probably because we all have the @instance next to our name. I cringe so hard when I see people say shit like "typical .ml user" and the like. Most people just join an instance randomly, it's not like there's a political pledge they make you sign when you do or something.
I do think this current situation is kind of fucked up tho. Calling an admin a Nazi with doctored photos.
I only joined .world because it was listed on Reddit Is Fun as the app closed. Now people randomly ban me or insult me for being mainstream. Bruh...
Nah, we suck

Yup. My first instance was .world because fuck it, good enough, at least it's not Reddit. (Didn't know about all the drama until at least a year later, too. I still probably don't know about a lot of it.) Now I'm two-timing that one and piefed.social until I carve out the time to set up my own instance or few, maybe even one with a deluxe-tier membership with extra features.
I'm locking this post as i can't investigate for now. The link to the wayback machine is broken on my side.
Sorry, I need a longer time to read, understand and verify. I'm busy. I'm letting @libb@piefed.social and @null@piefed.nullspace.lol handling it.
Thank for your understanding.
Followed the links and looks like this post is legitimate and the image was doctored.
Unlocking for now, but I would love to see all this fedi-drama live in it's own community...
Disputes between users are "drama." Disputes involving instance admins and discussions of defederation are matters of fediverse governance.
I'm tempted to host a single instance, with no accounts and a single community called "instance beefing"
Put it on a .ch (Switzerland) domain, LOL
I think it could be a good idea. :)
I would name it "instance mediation" instead of "beefing" since we aren't looking for a conflict but listening and talking. But of course that would be an utopia since we are passionnate on some topic. π
I imagine a safe space where users can bring their arguments with proofs without attacking each other. Just facts, nothing more...and they decide. :)
I imagine a safe space where users can bring their arguments with proofs without attacking each other. Just facts, nothing more...and they decide. :)
Don't forget the unicorn while you're at it π
Well i can dream about it π
I think this is a level beyond drama. This was a deliberate misinformation/smear campaign.
That's why i tought it was important an importants information.
But it was quite sensible, We have to verify and thread it carefuly.
I hate fedidrama
Same but i can't dimiss people's opinion. I think it's important to listen to them. There is people against AI, other for AI, and each of them have a point. They are not wrong.
I believe the best way to handle it is to create a framework for debate and bringing arguments to nuance our opinions, understanding each points.
However, there is also a limit on free speech and that's our part to handle. That's not easy. π
I'm surprised people don't see this as blatant projection. Nazis aren't smart, but they know to target where the most easy recruits are. Dbzero is full of anarchists, who are historically so antinazi we have trouble getting along with other leftists.
On the other hand, constructing a "they're the real Nazis!" narrative allows them to push Lemmy World (the biggest instance with the most "centrist" views, the best target for Nazi infiltration) into isolation. Especially isolation from people who recognize and vehemently fight the first signs of Nazis: anarchists.
Lemmy.world (and Feddit.org clearly) needs to clean their own house; they're being actively attacked from inside.
Pretty disgusted to see Feddit.org allowed this content to stay up for so long and try to frame the Quokk.au and Dbzer0 admin team as Nazis simply because we dared to defederate their instance for its pro-Zionist stance.
I honestly havenβt thought of them once in the year since we blocked them, apparently we are still fresh on their minds.
I feel at the very least they should make a public retraction of this post, explaining how it was misinformation and ban the user who spread it.
Unfortunately I fell for all the gossip around them being a neo nazi.
It's pretty sad to see something like this happen in the fediverse.
I fall for shit like it's going out of style. HumanOS is suckware.
The fact that you can recognize a cognitive fuck up for what it is and admit it is really cool.
If more people could do that... well we wouldn't have drama like this.
At least you got to see the truth.
Many people are not going to see this post and walk away thinking it was true. The damage of a lie lasts forever.
The feddit.org admins did not help by refusing to remove the post for hours after it was proven fake and continuing to argue against and silence evidence proving it.
Admitting getting fooled is a very mature thing to do and so rare in online discouse.
I got fooled for years by Israel propaganda around Gaza. Since then I get in to trouble with lots of communities for questioning the narrative of both sides.
At least you realized your mistake, and you're able to admit it.
The responsibility for these lies and the accusations of calling people nazis falls squarely on @Emopunker@feddit.org shoulders.
Someone who posts rants on MeanwhileOnGrad being associated with falsifying nazi evidence? Well, I never!
How did all this fascism get into my anti-communism AGAIN?
It's incredible the kind of drama people stir up for seemingly no reason.
It's been top teir the past 2 weeks
Everytime I see one of these feud posts I think...
The Real Housewives of Lemmy
That could be a good name for a community :)
If you can't trust a German based instance that espouses fascist ideologies then who can you trust?
The only problem I have with the evidence presented is the wayback links only show how it looks now rather than the time of the incident. It would be really shitty if they doctored the image to stir up some shit and divide us even more. I think so many people found it believable because of how toxic some folks can be. Let's remain vigilant so that nazis don't feel welcome here but we absolutely should not overreact without sufficient evidence.
The site appears to indicate edits. The first post shows edited a week ago.
I don't know how hard it would be to manipulate that at the admin level, if it's even possible, or if any of the users in the screenshot are admins. Maybe someone that knows more about whatever platform they're using can help.
Edit: You can go to nicecrew.digital, where a couple of the posters are from and without signing in, hit explore, search posts for the exact wording for Classic Tyler's first post (I'm sending Johnny an invoice), and you'll get this thread.
You only get the nicecrew replies, the rest won't load, maybe because poa.st, where the OP is from, seems fucked up right now, maybe due to all the traffic caused by this investigation, lol.
Nicecrew.digital indicates edits with an icon. None of these posts have the icon.
Unless this is a coordinated cover-up by admins of multiple instances removing indications of editing (and I don't even know if that's possible) what you can see right now on wayback, annihilation.social, and nicecrew.digital is legit. The feddit screenshot is a fabrication.
Edit#2: You can also go to detroitriotcity.com, search for alexmussolini88's (jfc, these people) post, and get the whole thing. Again, with no indication of edits outside of the OP.
Also note that the feddit.uk which originally posted this screenshot deleted itself when this was found.
And that account was created a few days before the .org account who reposted this.
That account was also inactive for basically 6 months with only a handful of comments when it was newly made.
And all the upvoters in the LW community thread were 6 month all accounts that recently became active again, that only had a few comments in ! showerthoughs beforehand.
I think one of the lessons we can learn from this is that public admin logs should probably become a condition of federation in responsible communities.
Zionists tend to be well organised and paid well. It's not really a surprise to me they manufacture evidence like this since it's this kind of mud that ends up sticking in the backs of people's minds.
I'm not suggesting that emo was a paid actor. Simply that the kind of campaigns they typically do create the kind of person emo is.
Zionists have admitted to using AI generated photos to justify killing Lebanese reporters.
Many lemmy.org sucketpuppet accounts to talk trash about dbzero are getting removed. How does feddit.org tolerate this?
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