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[-] MangoCats@feddit.it 1 points 1 month ago

You find yourself signing off on an overwhelming amount of raw code just to keep up with the output that's expected these days.

Then you're doing it wrong, very very wrong. And any management that expects you to "just read faster" is management you should be distancing yourself from at maximum possible speed.

No, you can't review the volume of code that LLMs output, one engineer driving an LLM code generator can create code faster than 10 engineers can review it. However, one engineer driving an LLM code generator, then driving the same and other LLMs to review that code for correctness can.

You can, and also should, be developing documented requirements for EVERYTHING the code is doing - LLMs help accelerate that process too.

You can, and also should, be developing unit and integration tests which ensure that your implementation doesn't regress as new features are added. LLMs help accelerate that process too.

You can, and also should, be using LLMs to review the requirements, implementation and tests to ensure they are all synchronized, aligned, saying what they do and doing what they say. LLMs help accelerate that process too.

You can, and also should, be doing all of the above for software developed without LLMs, but in my experience the vast majority of teams don't do good implementation of all the pieces. LLMs are an opportunity to start.

[-] yesman@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago
[-] napkin2020@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago

Funny how Marx never actually worked, like, ever, so his first time is never.

[-] TheDarkQuark@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

I never understood vibe coding (or ✨Agentic Coding✨) tbh.

May be I am too stupid, but I think as I code and code as I think. I do not usually formulate a plan before I start coding. I am categorizing architecture as code btw because, for me, architecture involves pseudo-code to some degree .

Even in college, I could never just understand lectures. I needed to write down the formulas and work out the derivations myself to grasp them. I know there are people who understand things right away, but I am not one of them.

So, now, when I see senior developers (which I am not) vibe code green field projects, I am just astounded as to how they manage the architecture + understanding + optimization + maintenance context.

[-] MangoCats@feddit.it 1 points 1 month ago

architecture involves pseudo-code to some degree

Clue: you can vibe-code pseudo-code. Hell, I vibe-coded a season of screen-plays for a TV series. Once you're comfortable with the architecture and requirements, then have your agent do a "readiness review" to ensure it thinks you've specified everything well enough to code it, then have it plan implementation and execute the plan, and review the output to ensure it's all consistent with all that documentation, and iterate on the reviews until you're happy that the only "problems" it's finding are inconsequential.

Then hand it over to an independent human test team. Like you always should have been doing without LLMs anyway.

[-] EmilyIsTrans@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 month ago

I've done it because work is ✨desparate✨ and required I try it to learn it for some reason. I'm at a senior level. Generally I instructed it on the exact architecture and patterns I wanted, along with the broad classes and algorithms required. That meant it was left to do the individual procedure implementation that I might have instructed a junior developer to do while I managed more macro level concerns. It did surprisingly well, but this was on a greenfield project, so It would probably become excessively slow and error prone on a sufficiently large project.

[-] dhork@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

So, now, when I see senior developers (which I am not) vibe code green field projects, I am just astounded as to how they manage the architecture + understanding + optimization + maintenance context.

My experience is, they're not. Like the article says they are just focused on MOAR and not on the quality of the output. It may take years for the unmaintainable code to cause problems, and they may have already been laid off by the time that happens, anyway .

I don't write much code anymore, but when I did, there was a fair amount of embedded code, where fixing a bug is more costly than just pushing out a build to a production server. I actively sought out automation back then, but the purpose of the automation was to help cover edge cases and better test the embedded code for flaws that traced through multiple layers of code.

Whenever I start a new software project, it usually starts with a short period of experimentation when I try out several things. Then, I coalesce on an architecture in my head (and eventually document it), and once I do that I can add more structure to the code.

Given the state of the AI tools today, I can see myself using them to accelerate all the little fiddly parts of this (especially if I can give it a coding standard and have it stick to it). But I wouldn't trust it more than that. I would always keep the archictecture separate, because I don't trust the AI tools to change it on me for no good reason.

[-] MangoCats@feddit.it 1 points 1 month ago

I actively sought out automation back then

So did I, it was called C compilers so I didn't have to do hand coded assembly. They turned out O.K. after the first few buggy generations.

[-] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

(especially if I can give it a coding standard and have it stick to it)

Hoooooh boy, that if is doing a lot of heavy lifting, in my experience. I'm constantly telling the stupid little stochastic fuck to follow basic coding standards I've given it.

I don't use a lot of AI tooling outside of debugging and a little bit into command discovery, but fuck if the little shit isn't constantly rewriting my code into a shit style that I hate and constantly correct.

[-] garretble@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

One of my bosses has been a little Ai-pilled recently and he also contributes code.

I can tell which parts are his AI slop not from any git blame or anything but because of how it looks. You can see the stylistic differences in a block of code from one file to the next, and also it seems like AI likes to add comments to everything, and he just copy and pastes it all into the file. Those comments are often very different looking, too. So just stylistically everything is all over the place.

[-] frongt@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 month ago

So, just like any team project.

[-] garretble@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Everyone has their own style, but Bob over here doesn't change his style every day. Before, my boss had their own style, and if I ended up working on their code I'd try to match that just to keep things consistent. But now it's all over the place.

AI slop just flops out whatever it feels like at any given time since it's just cribbing everything from the internet.

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