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Overwhelming majority of Russians now want to end Ukraine war (www.newsweek.com)

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[-] theKalash@feddit.ch 318 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Shitty headline. That is ONLY if Russia gets to keep the annexed territories:

However, if ending the war would include Russia returning the territories that it has occupied and annexed throughout the conflict, only a third (34 percent) of respondents said they would support that decision.

[-] Moonrise2473@feddit.it 106 points 1 year ago

LOL if the question is like that ("would you stop the war as a winner keeping all the lands and cease the sanctions") then what the other 30% of people is thinking?

"Keep fighting because I enjoy watching it on the news?"

[-] Ghost33313@kbin.social 70 points 1 year ago

I would wager 100% of people surveyed would not want to go to jail for giving the wrong answer too.

[-] flipht@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago

Jail or the front lines.

[-] ImFresh3x@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

So why did 34% respond otherwise?

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[-] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 year ago

Keep going until all of Ukraine is annexed?

[-] SHITPOSTING_ACCOUNT@feddit.de 7 points 1 year ago

I think it's clear to everyone that that is not going to happen.

[-] DarkGamer@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

To those of us with access to media that isn't pure Russian propaganda, anyway. I suspect Russians without VPN access, (which I believe they recently outlawed,) have a very distorted view of the state of the world.

[-] SHITPOSTING_ACCOUNT@feddit.de 4 points 1 year ago

The fact that the frontline hasn't significantly moved for over a year, aside from Kherson, should be obvious even from Russian propaganda. (Btw, this also shows that something major needs to happen if Ukraine is to get its territory back)

[-] DarkGamer@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I really wish Ukrainian allies had given them jets and long-range missiles sooner. Were I in their shoes, I'd give Ukraine the capability of damaging Russian infrastructure and fuck up the supply lines all the way to their source if need be. Make it clear to the average Russian that going with the plan is more dangerous for them than resisting their autocrat. Time is of the essence, every second of delay can be measured in lives.

[-] CodeMonkeyUK@lemmy.world 40 points 1 year ago

I don't think the war will end until Putin dies. Whether that be next week or in 20 years.

There's no way for Putin to retreat and save face. The world can't afford to allow Russia to win. It will be a horrible stalemate of slaughter until Putin dies and can be blamed by both sides, to be able to negotiate a way out.

[-] SuddenDownpour@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago

I don't think that scenario has such an optimistic outlook in store. The people in the best position to inherit the seats of power in the Russian state are Putin's closest clique, who are, for the most part, ultranationalists, who would not only see their newfound power deligitimazed if they immediately signed peace, but would also be acting against their own ideology. Even if there are powerful people in Russia who would prefer to transition towards a different kind of country, they don't have a clear route to reach power.

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[-] CaptainBlagbird@lemmy.world 40 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

And also it states that

70 percent of Russians would support Putin should he decide to end the conflict this week.

It doesn't necessarily mean that they want to end the war, only that they would support Putin's decision...

[-] HuddaBudda@kbin.social 14 points 1 year ago

You cannot ask direct questions like: Do you want to overthrow the dictator? And expect a realistic answer in a dictatorship.

You also cannot ask a question like: Should Russia keep it's territories? Because if you are in a dictatorship, you can go to prison for the wrong answer.

You can lose your job if what you say can be taken from the wrong context.

Merely the fear that such reprisal exists, means that the overwhelming population cannot answer truthfully, even if they wanted to.

So I would take these polls with a grain of salt.

[-] letsgocrazy@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

Russians have become masters of knowing how to lie in such a way as their answer tells the real truth.

You plow his British people can be very polite and they mean "fuck you". A bit like that.

[-] Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 34 points 1 year ago

lol I knew I saw the exact opposite headline somewhere. "Majority of russians dont want an end to ukraine war if needed to release territories" or something like that

[-] Wrench@lemmy.world 83 points 1 year ago

Stop up voting Newsweek. They are not a reputable publication.

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[-] Resol@lemmy.world 66 points 1 year ago

I'm kinda guessing they've never wanted that war to happen in the first place, they probably simply can't express that without being arrested or something.

Those who support the war are probably brainwashed by propaganda.

[-] scarabic@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

There are actually Russians who I’ve heard say things like “Crimea is ours anyway,” and “Ukraine is supposed to be a part of Russia.” And I’m talking about Russian emigres in America who are not looking over their shoulders.

It’s not everyone. Mostly blowhard assholes but they do exist. The Russian people aren’t all sitting there thinking the right things but keeping their lips sealed.

[-] vxx@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The second sentence of this article is stating that only 30% of Russians want to end the war if they have to give back annexed regions of Ukraine.

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[-] SuddenDownpour@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 year ago

Every country has a lot of idiotic nationalists, especially those which have an glorified, imperialist past. What matters is how much suffering are they willing to impose upon themselves to satisfy the demands of their collective narcissism, and Russians who live abroad aren't going to be the ones suffering it the most.

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[-] miridius@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago

Pretty important detail missing from the headline:

However, if ending the war would include Russia returning the territories that it has occupied and annexed throughout the conflict, only a third (34 percent) of respondents said they would support that decision.

[-] activ8r@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 year ago

That's a pretty critical detail... The headline becomes incredibly misleading without it. It should read: "Overwhelming majority of Russians now want to win Ukraine war"

[-] Annoyed_Crabby 28 points 1 year ago

However, if ending the war would include Russia returning the territories that it has occupied and annexed throughout the conflict, only a third (34 percent) of respondents said they would support that decision.

Russia has maintained that any peace deal must include "the entry of four [Ukrainian] regions into Russia," something that Kyiv is unlikely to budge on.

Lmao why does it sounds so familiar

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[-] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 16 points 1 year ago

Too bad they have no say

[-] Raz@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago

In other news: large amount of Russians fall from stairs and windows this week.

[-] pozbo@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

I say we support ukraine until they raid Moscow and buttfuck putin with something sharp.

[-] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago

That's not the goal and the Ukrainians aren't going to waste their lives pushing to Moscow. They just want their country back, that's been there intent since day 1.

[-] pozbo@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Never claimed it was their plan, I was making a statement over how long I would support them and their struggle.

[-] muntedcrocodile@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

As long as they give up the land theyve srolen then let it end otherwise im feelin russia might be in for a very painfull couple more years

[-] biofaust@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

End how?

[-] deafboy@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

With all the territorial gains, if an article I've read here recently was right.

[-] febra@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Well, they're probably quite content with their territorial gains and are hopeful that they'll just conveniently end the war now and keep said territories. That would explain the still relatively high number of supporters the Kremlin still enjoys while also a big chunk of the population wants an end to the war. I think there's a big overlap between the two groups, which might explain my initial point.

However, if ending the war would include Russia returning the territories that it has occupied and annexed throughout the conflict, only a third (34 percent) of respondents said they would support that decision.

Further reading the article proves this sadly.

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[-] febra@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

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