I WAS going to Vote for AOC because she Represents America instead of Israel until all I saw Day Old Accounts telling me Newsom was Better! NEXT time AOC NEXT Time!
It's HIS turn
Just wait until the DNC tanks her like they did Bernie.
Yea, its about time for the experiment to end. The results are failure.
This lady got me drunk on margaritas in between classes when I was a student at Parsons. We talked about Bernie Sanders and politics and she was cool as hell.
I will definitely vote for her if she runs for president.
I wish I drank those margaritas that AOC cooked up
It was, like, a year or two later when she ran for office, and I was like… I know her… But then it took me a little while to put two and two together and remember where I knew her from. It blew my goddamn mind, lol.
Unfortunately, I didn’t live in her constituency, so I couldn’t vote for her at the time. But I did live in Hakeem Jeffries constituency, so I voted for him.
America isn't ready for competent leadership
I like AOC. I would vote for AOC. AOC will not win POTUS. We're tried this twice already, and a woman who has had years of non-stop character assassination attempts lobbed at her is not going to win. It's terrible that sexism and lies play such a big role, but that's where we are as a nation. Dems had the right idea in 2020 setting up the first woman president via VP. Then they did the worst job possible of handling any potential transition, because of course they did.
Sadly, I feel there are still too many bigots and sexists in the US who cannot bring themselves to vote for a woman, esp. one who isn't 'white enough'. That, piled on top of the 'establishment' Dem factions that will do everything possible to subvert a campaign... which will let the right-wingers/fascists drive right up the middle again.
Feel free to prove me wrong, USA. Please.
Copy paste from elsewhere in the thread.
You seem well-meaning, but the racism/sexism card is way overplayed at this point in the game. The two examples DNC sympathisers point to for why an AOC run is a bad idea both lost not because they were women, but because they were utterly terrible politicians. I wasn't around for Hillary so I can't go into too much detail, but Harris specifically did her utmost best to destroy every single ounce of goodwill she had. And as for the racism, well, America did overwhelmingly elect Obama in 2008. Even on the far right you see MAGA elect women and minority politicians they agree with (see: MTG), so there's no way the everyone left of Reagan coalition wouldn't be able to elect AOC due to sexism. It's just a complete and utter non-issue.
You say that, but I personally know people who voted for Trump over Kamala specifically because she was a woman. I personally know people who voted for Trump over Harris for the exact same reason.
Don't get me wrong, I'm fine with AOC myself and would vote for her, but to pretend that it's a "non-issue" assumes that the average person doesn't care. Many people do actually care, and ignoring the existence of those people is poor strategy. Maybe I'm overestimating the number of people who care, maybe not, but it is unfortunately a real concern that won't magically go away by pretending people, as a whole, are more enlightened than that.
And people voted for Trump because he's rich. Does that mean we only need to run rich candidates. Fuck no. There isn't a large enough group of people who would otherwise vote for someone like AOC who wouldn't because she's a woman. Either her positions are strong enough to win or they aren't. The woman thing is bullshit, and it's just people trying to push for a more generic candidate that doesn't represent us.
When the DNC runs candidates who's campaign promises are status quo, corporate subsidies and serving Israel then yeah, the bigot and sexist vote becomes significant. People need to stop using that as a condemnation of the country as a whole. It's a condemnation of the two party system, a corrupt or derelict Democratic party or a "democracy" which is no longer functioning.
Meanwhile candidates who actually prioritize American voters can win without the help of bigots. Obama proved this back in 2008 and Zohran has proved things have only gotten better. Not only did he win without the bigot vote but without all the other piece of shit voters who showed up for Cuomo in the general election.
Harris was a garbage candidate. Biden was a garbage candidate. Hillary Clinton was a garbage candidate. American voters as a whole are not responsible for the abhorrent behavior by the DNC and assholes who vote for people like Biden and Cuomo in Democratic primaries.
Yes, but also I don't think the Democrats have any stronger candidate to run against Republicans. Most of them can't even meaningfully speak against Trump. If they run another wishy-washy centrist there's a much greater chance that they lose to disillusionment yet again. AOC is the closest they have to Bernie Sanders and they'd either be idiots or snakes to not do so. Personally, she's probably the only potential presidential hopeful out there who I would enthusiastically vote for.
they'd either be idiots or snakes
They have proven themselves at this point to be both.
Yes, but also I don’t think the Democrats have any stronger candidate to run against Republicans.
This is a real problem. Who's in the national Democratic pipeline? Biden kind of sucked the life out of anyone associated with him - Anthony Blinken? Lloyd Austin? Pete Buttigeig was the closest thing Biden had to an attack dog, but he keeps losing elections and I don't know what he's doing now. I thought Katie Porter was cool for a while, but she blew her run for senate and is currently choking on a run for governor of California. Bernie's too old.
I don't even know who else is out there.
She’s the only federal level Democrat with any sort of broad public support.
No one else is note worthy or generally liked.
She is literally the only option. Anyone else is risking mass voter apathy and a voter turn out flop in an election that should be a slam dunk.
If you’re going to vote in the dem primaries, don’t fucking vote based on who “is most electable”, vote for who you want to win. Choosing the candidate that “is the most electable” keeps losing elections, because that crown keeps getting chosen by corporate owned media who just anoint that tittle to the most corporate friendly candidate, and voters don’t like corporate friendly candidates.
The most electable candidate is one who excites people, no one else even considered for running excites anyone except for corporate lobbyists.
They'll ice her out and close ranks against her the way they did for biden against Bernie.
And they'll lose again.
I would vote for AOC in a heartbeat. I am tired of old men ruining the country, and tired of Israel making us their errand boy.
As far as "experience", when did that really matter? Obama didn't have much foreign policy experience either and he was 1000x better than this current troglodyte pedophile.
To me the whole foreign policy angle is a non-sequitur. Unless an candidate has been a senator/congressman for several terms, it doesn't really apply. And how many presidents were that? Some of the best presidents had zilch in foreign policy experience and weren't an elected official for much before they became president.
Obama (one half-finished term as senator). Clinton (Arkansas AG and gov...hardly a place that had any need of foreign policy). Bush Jr (gov of Texas). Reagan (gov of Cali).
Not to imply all were great, but they definitely had, at least from our current perspective, a rational viewpoint where they thought from their POV that they were doing the right thing for the country, instead of this chaotic, narcissistic, demagogue, corrupt stupidity.
At this point a gerbil with schizophrenia would be a better option than Trump.
As far as "experience", when did that really matter?
It stopped mattering to me when I considered myself smarter than the president. And I'm an idiot.
And I'm an idiot.
Yes, but you're also self aware of it, which further differentiates you from the Oranguturd Chumpanzee.
I think she's a good representative as in she didn't get corrupt and votes the right way most of the times but I'm yet to see any proof she would be good president. I keep seeing videos about AOC "crushing" people in hearings and they always disappoint. She struggles to explain her ideas or deliver convincing message and she's simply bad at confronting people. I think she's over-hyped because all other candidates suck and she would get crushed in presidential elections. People really need to start looking for a candidate that can actually win.
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