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A recently released Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) document titled “Domestic Terrorism Symbols Guide”* links common protest symbols to “terrorism” — another marker in a common theme of conflating militant protest for social justice with deadly terrorist violence within the United States. Groups like the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) and the Brennan Center have raised warnings about such documents, citing inadequate protections for people’s constitutional rights.

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[-] agitatedpotato@lemmy.world 314 points 11 months ago

I refuse to believe those groups are terrorist organizations because the CIA has never armed them.

[-] Zorque@kbin.social 58 points 11 months ago

Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if there were syops to radicalize anti-fascist groups to make them less appealing to the masses.

[-] PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world 37 points 11 months ago

This is essentially my pet conspiracy theory about Alex Jones. He was a plant by the CIA, to make all conspiracy theorists look absolutely batshit crazy. By having him peddle the extreme theories right alongside the “these are a little too close to reality, and the people are getting dangerously close to figuring it out” theories, they’re able to discredit those accurate theories. Because now they don’t need to attack the individual theory; They can just attack the face of conspiracy theories.

[-] Zorque@kbin.social 62 points 11 months ago

Anti-fascists aren't conspiracy theorists, though, they're just people who oppose fascism.

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[-] YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world 178 points 11 months ago

So, being pro-democracy means you are a Violent Extremist?

[-] EatYouWell@lemmy.world 97 points 11 months ago

It does to the people trying to burn that democracy to the ground.

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[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 34 points 11 months ago

Sometimes yes. Authoritarians sometimes refuse to cede without violence. The FBI appears to have taken that position

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[-] Pipoca@lemmy.world 25 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

https://vault.fbi.gov/domestic-terrorism-symbols-guide/domestic-terrorism-symbols-guide-part-01/view

No.

The document lists symbols that violent extremists use, but explicitly calls out that not everyone who uses those symbols is a violent extremist.

The punisher skull is also in there, but that doesn't mean they're claiming every asshole with a punisher skull on their truck is a terrorist. Just that if someone with a punisher skull on their truck shoots up a mosque, that the punisher iconography is evidence that it was an act of right-wing militia terrorism.

[-] stevedidwhat_infosec@infosec.pub 98 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Excuses to label you as a criminal so their overreach is justified.

Talk about double speak, being against fascists and racists means you’re terrorist now, LMAO.

FBI has long since been relabeled as the face of the cia, nsa and are the gen pop wranglers.

Call this shit the fuck out for what it is, an attack against Americans of ALL political backgrounds. This is a unified issue, they might only be banging on your neighbors door but you are next.

[-] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 42 points 11 months ago

Yup, it's setting up a legal framework that allows them to designate anyone that ruffles feathers or speaks out as a violent extremist, and haul them off without much recourse (it's worth noting that if you're arrested on terrorism charges, your rights are automatically suspended).

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[-] NutWrench@lemmy.world 90 points 11 months ago

"Anti-fa" literally means anti-fascist. The allies storming the beaches of Normandy were "anti-fa." The only thing "anti-fa" wants these days is for cops to stop murdering them. Needless to say, I support that position.

Some idiot put that in the list for purely political reasons.

[-] HiddenLayer5@lemmy.ml 52 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

It's easy to hate antifa if you're fa.

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[-] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 87 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Protests are nice to look at, but they paint free targets on everyone who participates. Conservatism/fascism has never been defeated by pacifism.

If you are motivated to resist fascism/conservatism, arm yourself and train appropriately. Take classes, join left-leaning gun clubs, survival groups and prepper classes. Exercise and learn to fight.

Conservatives have been prepping for years for a war they insist is necessary. They have decided you are their enemy. You cannot change that by protesting.

[-] Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 32 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

As a liberal gun owner, I agree.

I want a world without mass shootings.

But right now, the majority of mass shootings happen against the most vulnerable people. And the majority of hate crimes is happening because a bunch of fucktards are pushing violent messages. And the worst part is nobody in power really gives a shit.

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[-] kaffiene@lemmy.world 27 points 11 months ago

Apartheid in South Africa was solved politically. The Troubles in Northern Ireland were solved politically. The Berlin wall collapsed and the Cold War ended without violence.

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 21 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Nelson Mandela was accused of being a terrorist because he was one. The ANC mostly killed civilians, "civilians" that just so happened to be key figures in apartheid politics (well, that was their goal, anyways, and it worked well enough)

Also, just how myopic do you have to be to point to the collapse as the Soviet Union as being "solved politically" while ignoring several decades of proxy wars and an attempted coup?

Shit, it didn't even resolve that well other than independence for the satellite states, it just left Putin in charge in the end to get a million people killed himself.

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[-] Marsey_Enjoyer@lemm.ee 61 points 11 months ago

Radical Centrism wins again

[-] ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world 58 points 11 months ago

Oh no, what will we do if the FBI targets left-wing activists for insane reasons? They might give the J. Edgar Hoover Building a bad name.

[-] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 57 points 11 months ago

And this is why we need to break the current command chain in domestic and foreign intelligence, we never actually banished the ghosts of the Kissinger days, just let them pick less noticeable successors that still hold the same basic world view.

[-] banneryear1868@lemmy.world 24 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

The American public have no say this stuff either, by design, because "America's security interests" as determined by the military industrial complex are what really drive the nation's politics and foreign policy. Obviously antifascism is antiAmerican, because fascist governments enable private American companies to extract their resources, and antiracism is a threat under an economic system that invented the very notion of race and is inherently racist.

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[-] remotelove@lemmy.ca 51 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

"Eat the Rich" is now a symbol of extremism.....

That is extremely funny and extremely stupid at the same time. Honestly, after both of those conflicting feelings wore off, I am left in a state of confusion.

I mean, I get it. Just because phrases or symbols are used in extremist movements doesn't make the phrase or symbol exclusively extreme, with some exceptions. (Idiots will look at that "guidebook" and just leverage the FBI classification as a means to reinforce a bias, regardless of the context.)

For example, the Gadsden flag is a part of American history. However, it has also been hijacked for different causes. (I sarcastically see it in its original context as people still holding a grudge against the British, TBH.)

[-] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 28 points 11 months ago

However, it has also been hijacked for different causes.

Another example is an American flag off the back of a pickup truck, usually a sign that the driver is a bigoted douchebag

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[-] TwoGems@lemmy.world 49 points 11 months ago

Explains why they coddle white Trump terrorists

[-] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 25 points 11 months ago

it explains a whole lot.

I mean we shouldn't be surprised, FBI never has had an interest in these so called "civil-rights"

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[-] Mango@lemmy.world 46 points 11 months ago

"Stop resisting!"

Often repeated by terrorists appealing to their body cameras.

[-] Luisp@lemmy.dbzer0.com 45 points 11 months ago

So starwars is now considered terrorism propaganda, ok

[-] abbotsbury@lemmy.world 31 points 11 months ago

The OKC bomber said nobody cared about the innocent people on the Death Star when Luke Skywalker blew it up, ergo, bombing a federal building is okay.

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[-] BassaForte@lemmy.world 41 points 11 months ago

Sounds like something fascists would do.

[-] BlackSkinnedJew@lemmynsfw.com 30 points 11 months ago

So they are publicly claiming the agency to be fascist and racist?

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[-] gullible@kbin.social 29 points 11 months ago

If only they would finally arrest the president of Antifa, this would be unnecessary. Richard Antifa deserves to be held accountable!

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[-] Gabu@lemmy.world 28 points 11 months ago

I label FBI as a waste of space that should be deleted.

[-] Salamendacious@lemmy.world 25 points 11 months ago

More than 200 victims of sex trafficking were rescued during a nationwide enforcement campaign last month that also included the identification or arrest of more than five dozen suspected human traffickers and 126 individuals accused of child sexual exploitation and trafficking offenses. Source

The FBI does do important work too. If you Google "Operation Cross Country" you can find tons of local news articles showing local arrests in this operation.

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[-] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 28 points 11 months ago

TIL I'm a violent extremist.

[-] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 27 points 11 months ago

Man I love having to vote for people who label me a violent extremist. 10/10 government right there.

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[-] TangledHyphae@lemmy.world 23 points 11 months ago

To be fair, Senate Bill #4255:

To authorize dedicated domestic terrorism offices within the Department of Homeland Security, the Department of Justice, and the Federal Bureau of Investigation to analyze and monitor domestic terrorist activity and require the Federal Government to take steps to prevent domestic terrorism.

They call out white nationalists quite a bit in the domestic terrorism bills.

[-] One_Honest_Dude@lemmy.world 31 points 11 months ago

Yet, noticeably absent from the symbols guide was the branding of the far-right extremist Proud Boys which has known connections to Trump, FBI agents and local law enforcement all over the country.

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[-] RileyNorman@midwest.social 20 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I just knew all those punk bands were terrorists! Jello Biafra better get a lawyer... \s

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