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[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 30 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I wonder what would lemmy said about this. As in the thing they vehemently denied happening for 1,5 year.

[-] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 27 points 10 months ago

I'm expecting they'd just downvote without addressing it. That tends to be the standard lib response to anything that contradicts their narrative.

[-] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 10 months ago

Someone crosspost and find out!

[-] Addfwyn@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 10 months ago

Either handwave it away as Russian propaganda, or ignore it. Those are the two go-tos.

[-] ksynwa@lemmygrad.ml 22 points 10 months ago

Any idea what the terms of these deal were? Finding it a bit hard to navigate Twitter at the moment.

[-] Kaplya@hexbear.net 26 points 10 months ago

Per Gerhard Schroeder, Germany’s former chancellor

According to Schroeder the deal would have included the following main aspects:

· Ukraine would abandon its Nato aspirations;

· The bans on the Russian language in Ukraine would be removed;

· Donbass would remain in Ukraine but as an autonomous region (Schroeder: "Like South Tyrol");

· The United Nations Security Council plus Germany should offer and supervise the security agreements; and

· The Crimea problem would be addressed.

“Umerov opened the conversation with greetings from Zelenskiy. As a compromise for Ukraine's security guarantees, the Austrian model or the 5+1 model was proposed. Umerov thought that was a good thing,” said Schroeder. “He also showed willingness on the other points. He also said that Ukraine does not want Nato membership. He also said that Ukraine wants to reintroduce Russian in the Donbass. But in the end, nothing happened.”

“My impression was that nothing could happen, because everything else was decided in Washington,” said Schroeder, who had two sessions of talks with Umerov, then a one-on-one meeting with Putin in Moscow, and then a meeting with Putin's envoy.

Lots more detail here: Source

[-] Addfwyn@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 10 months ago

Those seem like incredibly generous terms. Obviously Ukraine won't see anything like that anymore. It's a shame for all those who lost their lives that Ukraine couldn't buck their overlords.

[-] ComradeEd@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

This article is saying what I've seen on here for months. Namely that the U.S. stopped the peace deal, and that U.K. prime min. flew over there to tell Zelensky and co. that was what the U.S. wanted. Once again, the tankies are right.

[-] ExotiqueMatter@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

That’s a very fair deal tbh

[-] Jennie@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 10 months ago

I don't think it's ever actually been confirmed what the terms were. Possibly including giving away Donetsk, Luhansk, or both?

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