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VW vehicles to converse with drivers via ChatGPT by mid-year (www.volkswagen-newsroom.com)
submitted 10 months ago by esaru@beehaw.org to c/technology@beehaw.org
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I guess our car is not our private space anymore, and we are not given a choice when buying a car from Volkswagen.

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[-] Thalestr@beehaw.org 33 points 10 months ago

I don't know if this is hilarious or pathetically sad. AI has become the current "must have" craze in the tech world and it's baffling watching every company try and find a way to shoehorn some form of it into their products and then try and justify its existence.

Cerence Chat Pro from technology partner Cerence Inc. is the foundation of the new function, which offers a uniquely intelligent, *automotive-grade *ChatGPT integration.

Why the hell would I want this?

[-] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 10 months ago

automotive-grade ChatGPT

How much you want to bet this means its answer to everything car related is “take it to the dealership for service”?

[-] maynarkh@feddit.nl 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

AI has become the current “must have” craze

Specifically LLM chatbots. AI was already in vogue, with companies calling simple hand-made decision trees about as complex as a phone answering menu AI.

Why the hell would I want this?

You don't, investors do. This is SEO for investors. They are looking to invest into LLMs, and as such, news with a company name and AI or LLM in the title will tick off trading bots to buy the stock of the company in question. The "economy" is mostly bots at this stage.

[-] TheAlbatross@lemmy.blahaj.zone 28 points 10 months ago

The article says they delete any questions after they're asked, but I'd prefer to disable any ChatGPT features put in front of me.

[-] esaru@beehaw.org 12 points 10 months ago

Ask anyone who works in IT and they'll confirm nothing gets ever deleted from all records and backups.

[-] astraeus@programming.dev 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

If it’s free ChatGPT everything is recorded and can’t be deleted or removed from their database. You can however delete data and opt-out of saving conversations, sharing conversation data with OpenAI if you have a paid account.

[-] esaru@beehaw.org 1 points 10 months ago

Maybe deleted from the productive database (if at all, as Reddit for example just flagged "deleted" comments apparently in the past).

But Backups, does data really get removed from backups? I don't think so.

[-] astraeus@programming.dev 1 points 10 months ago

For ChatGPT Enterprise it’s one of their selling points. It implicitly states that individual and free accounts lack any of these privacy protections.

https://openai.com/enterprise-privacy

[-] lightrush@lemmy.ca 23 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

- Hey ChatGPT, is it normal for my A4 to be burning this much oil? ...

- Yes.

[-] perishthethought@lemm.ee 14 points 10 months ago

  • "Hi car. Tell me what data about me you're sending back to VW."

  • I'm sorry perishthethought. I can't do that."

[-] Thevenin@beehaw.org 22 points 10 months ago

So let me get this straight. VW's US sales (EVs in particular) have failed to meet expectations because people don't like their overdependence on buggy, outsourced software.

...and VW's response is to outsource even more software while incorporating a technology base known for being unreliable.

[-] sonori@beehaw.org 6 points 10 months ago

Well yes, if management isn’t seeing the success they planed to see with a C level’s brilliant strategy, the only possible reason is that they failed to implement it hard enough after all./s

[-] TheBaldness@beehaw.org 16 points 10 months ago

I have a fantasy where I'm a powerful executive at Volkswagen. I'm in a meeting where this idea is presented. I ask who thought of it. Someone raises their hand. I smile broadly. I ask who else thinks it's a good idea. Others raise their hands. I call security and have all those people escorted out of the building. Those of us who remain set about manufacturing small, efficient & affordable electric vehicles with manual windows & door locks, and a not a single touchscreen anywhere. The End

[-] maynarkh@feddit.nl 1 points 10 months ago

Then your stock crashes in spite of your good sales because trading bots short your stock as you said negative things about the new thing in vogue and are thus considered "unable to innovate". Some other company acquires yours despite the good actual sales you might be having, and before you realize, what was once your company is back on the current hype train.

The system works because no one man, not even a "powerful executive" can change it easily.

[-] TheBaldness@beehaw.org 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I take my ill-gotten gains and fuck off to another country, perhaps the USA, and buy up a small little-known automotive start up that has some promising IP. When my car company is bigger than all the others combined, I don't spread the love around, but instead allow them all to stew in the juices of their mistakes. While I'm at it, I might buy a social media company and do everything possible to run my entire empire into the ground.

[-] astraeus@programming.dev 2 points 10 months ago

Hey I’ve seen this one before!

[-] jaykay@lemmy.zip 15 points 10 months ago

What happened to “don’t talk to the driver”? Can’t wait for accidents with “I was focusing on what ChatGPT was saying” explainations

[-] Stillhart@lemm.ee 11 points 10 months ago

In case we needed yet another reason to avoid that company. I have no idea why they're so successful despite being absolutely despicable.

[-] DdCno1@beehaw.org 6 points 10 months ago

They have a knack for building cars that people want, are usually late to new developments, but then blow the competition out of the water in terms of sales, because their cars (prior to the infotainment debacles and cost-cutting measures of recent years) tend to be extremely polished, are comfortable, economical and handle very well. The Golf GTI in particular is perhaps the perfect embodiment of the company's capabilities.

Personally, I think some of their past clout, especially in regards to quality, has been overstated though. We've considered new VWs long before recent quality problems, but they left a worse impression than comparable French cars and in absolutely every way. Still, they have been very consistent for a long time and appealed to buyers with a "no experiments" kind of mindset, who just want a predictable rolling appliance.

[-] Stillhart@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago

Yeah I knew someone was going to respond to my rhetorical "I have no idea" and explain it like I actually care. It's like saying I have no idea why people buy Microsoft or use Twitter despite them being despicable. Obviously there are lot of things about them that a lot of people like. Obviously not everyone knows about all the despicable things these companies have done and continue to do. Obviously not everyone would care enough to stop using them even if they did know.

But it still frustrates me. I wish the world was a place where companies like VW couldn't possibly exist because their own employees would never let them do the things they did, much less their customers or the regulators who are supposed to protect us despite ourselves. But, alas, we do not. And I have no idea why. (<--- Rhetorical! Nobody has to try to explain why.)

[-] DdCno1@beehaw.org 8 points 10 months ago

I don't know about you, but someone who doesn't care doesn't write two paragraphs. My don't care limit is one paragraph max.

[-] Vodulas@beehaw.org 9 points 10 months ago

I have an ID.4, and their software is pretty trash. I can't imaging adding GPT will help with anything at all. Good news is that Android Auto works really well on their vehicles. The only reason I have to use the VW is climate.

[-] ThePJN@sopuli.xyz 8 points 10 months ago

"We put ChatGPT into this hammer!"

"Why?"

"FIRST!"

[-] megopie@beehaw.org 2 points 10 months ago

Good! The less people buying new cars the better.

[-] HisNoodlyServant@beehaw.org 1 points 10 months ago

I have been spending a ton of time with Chat GPT 4 and really losing faith in what it can do reliably. Like I guess it could be fine if it is used like Google Assistant but I wouldn't trust it about anything important. Been doing math refreshers and the AI just made up a solution that was totally wrong. After I called it out it just added another number randomly into the equation and wouldn't acknowledged it lol. The point I am making man it is getting rushed into everything when it can't be relied on.

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